Steve Turner PCC

He should go, but only because he chose to hide what he'd done previously.

Not really bothered about his politics. It's fairly obvious from his previous far right activities that he's very unpleasant but that in itself doesn't preclude him for standing for election or carrying out the role. If enough racists vote for him, then he gets the job.
 
‘An individual will be disqualified from being elected as a PCC if they have been convicted in the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands, or the Isle of Man, of any imprisonable offence – whether or not actually sentenced to a term of imprisonment in respect of the offence.’

But cautions or out of court settlements aren't included in this disqualification.
 
Youngie said:
I am happy this has been brought the to the public's attention and I have made my stance clear he needs to go. I find Macdonald's act of hiding behind Parliamentary privilege's an insult as to what it stands for. Why did he feel he couldn't say it in the public domain?

I also find him the biggest hypocrite going based on his acceptance, protection and support that he gave to Barry Coppinger... A man that dodged multiple scandals with the help of his teflon friends and the underhand criminal behavior that is still currently under investigation with the police.

So borofur..... what's your stance on the Labour Party supporting Barry Coppinger for so long before finally giving him the bullet? Shame on you for voting for him for so long.... Particularly with HIS background.
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The usual Tory whataboutery I see.
 
BoroFur said:
He isn't but folk like @Youngie want him to be.

Classic example of deflection.
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I don't really get the deflection thing. Does anyone take any notice of it?

I don't really like the parliamentary privilege thing and it is right that he wouldn't have done the same thing against a Labour representative but that is as easy as saying that the likes of Clarke or Young would have done the same thing against Coppinger. The way you don't get called out is by not having committed the crime and then standing for Commissioner.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
he did say it in the public domain - thats why its been reported all over the media - thats why you are able to comment on it, previously you didnt know.

what do you think 'Parliamentary Privilege' is and stands for?

can you tell us the instances of when its been used previously that you have also disagreed with it as an insult and what it stands for ?
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He didn't say it in the public domain, Its been reported since into the public domain.... there is a difference.

Parliamentary Privilege grants members the right, freedom and protection to execute their duty without fear of prosecution or liable action. Something this country has held dear for hundreds of years.

The question here is why Macdonald felt the need to go down this route... He obviously knew the truth and quite rightly released it... however by knowing and only stating the truth, there was no possible case for any criminal or liable action to be taken against him... so what was the need for the Parliamentary Privilege?
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I don't know why he used it.

Same as I don't know why Turner said that the claim was unsubstantiated but then admitted that he'd accepted the caution.

I don't think it affects his position. Voters will tolerate a racist thief these days.
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It was a very strange decision for sure. Just like Turner's very strange decision too

As for affecting his position we will have to wait and see. I cant see how he can continue, he has lost my vote for sure. I campaigned long and hard for years to get rid of Coppinger because of his corruption and lying... I would be a hypocrite if I didnt do the same again for this one now the truth is out.
 
Youngie said:
I am happy this has been brought the to the public's attention and I have made my stance clear he needs to go. I find Macdonald's act of hiding behind Parliamentary privilege's an insult as to what it stands for. Why did he feel he couldn't say it in the public domain?

I also find him the biggest hypocrite going based on his acceptance, protection and support that he gave to Barry Coppinger... A man that dodged multiple scandals with the help of his teflon friends and the underhand criminal behavior that is still currently under investigation with the police.

So borofur..... what's your stance on the Labour Party supporting Barry Coppinger for so long before finally giving him the bullet? Shame on you for voting for him for so long.... Particularly with HIS background.
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You've gone from calling untrustworthy and incompetent (neither of which is a criminal offence last time I looked) to accusing him of underhand criminal behaviour and 'still' being under investigation by the police.

Genuine question, can you detail his criminal behaviour and also point me in the direction of a current police investigation?
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I don't really get the deflection thing. Does anyone take any notice of it?

I don't really like the parliamentary privilege thing and it is right that he wouldn't have done the same thing against a Labour representative but that is as easy as saying that the likes of Clarke or Young would have done the same thing against Coppinger. The way you don't get called out is by not having committed the crime and then standing for Commissioner.
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We are told repeatedly that Labour don't hold Tories to account, now a Tory PCC is being held to account and the same people are saying you are only holding him to account because he's a Tory.

It's ludicrous.
 
BoroFur said:
You've gone from calling untrustworthy and incompetent (neither of which is a criminal offence last time I looked) to accusing him of underhand criminal behaviour and 'still' being under investigation by the police.

Genuine question, can you detail his criminal behaviour and also point me in the direction of a current police investigation?
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You are still havent answered my question.
 
Youngie said:
You are still havent answered my question.
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But I am answering it. Like I said, being poor at your job is not a criminal offence. As far as I'm aware he resigned rather than being given the bullet as you describe it.

As part of your defence for voting in Turner you've accused Coppinger of underhand criminal behaviour and still being under police investigation.

Both very bold statements.

I'm just asking you to flesh out the facts for me.
 
BoroFur said:
You didn't answer the question.
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Of course I did, I'm not sure if you're very naive of being deliberately obtuse. Whether you or I would release the information is a moot point, the relevant point is that he only did so to damage a political opponent.

The politics around Cleveland Police by the last two PCC's and other politicians in the area has been at a huge disservice to you, I and the other people who live, work and visit the area.

Don't forget that Coppinger only left because someone had leaked some information to Turner about Whatsapp messages in which he was referred to. This latest episode is precisely the same type of petty playground nonsense that's been played out in the local media for years. Its dirty politics entirely designed to damage an opponent - it's nothing to do with morals or public-duty. If it was, why was it released to the media, as a starting point, rather than communicating directly to the PCC?
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Whether you or I would release the information is a moot point, the relevant point is that he only did so to damage a political opponent.
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....or hold a political opponent to account, are you suggesting you shouldn't whistle blow on potential wrong doing of opposition? Surely that would be viewed through the lens of being a weak and pointless opposition
 
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