I already knew that. It was supposed to be a dig at Starmer but I obviously didn't express myself very well.
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This is what I meant in my last post. I had a bit of a nasty dig at you there because political threads bring out the worst in people. Sorry smalltown. We're allowed to disagree and still be friendly and civil, aren't we?
I already knew that. It was supposed to be a dig at Starmer but I obviously didn't express myself very well.
Apologies Jack!
I'm too used to seeing people take Branson's word as gospel for some mad reason.I think that you're probably being a bit too generous with that 'nice man' phrase roofie. The bloke is a ****.
r00fie1
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I couldnt be personal: he does a good job himself without trying ;@))
I'm not very good at this whole staying away from political threads and being civil thing, am I?I couldnt be personal: he does a good job himself without trying ;@))
Scrote
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This is where we're reading the room differently.
100 potential Labour voters aren't going to change the direction of Tory policy. It's not about fighting battles for the Tories, it's about winning concessions for the left if you want their vote.
Scrote
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As per the question on the 14points thread the other day:
Hang on, which is it? The left aren't needed but the centre can't win? Make your mind up...
If that was aimed at me or scrote then you can stick it up your **** mate.
BlindBoyGrunt
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The only Tory in the equation is Keir Starmer so I prefer to think of it as self proclaimed lefties adhering to their principles.
r00fie1
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I meant personal about Sturmer (!)
He doesnt need us to call him anything derogatory - he does it without opening his mouth!
UTMB
Marcus Rashford has been more of an opposition leader during Johnsons tenure at no. 10. Hes put his money and his effort into doing things for underprivileged kids - without wrapping himself in union flags.
Thats what "leadership" looks like:
Marcus Rashford launches book club for disadvantaged children
The book club will see 50,000 books distributed across 850 primary schools in England and Scotland.
www.bbc.co.uk
Marcus Rashford launches book club for disadvantaged children
The book club will see 50,000 books distributed across 850 primary schools in England and Scotland.
www.bbc.co.uk
Marcus Rashford launches book club for disadvantaged children
Published11 hours ago
image captionManchester United forward Marcus Rashford has campaigned for children to claim free school meal vouchers in the school holidays during the coronavirus pandemic
Footballer Marcus Rashford has launched a book club to get disadvantaged children reading more.
The England and Manchester United striker has teamed up with publisher Macmillan Children's which will donate 50,000 books.
They will be distributed in more than 850 primary schools across England and Scotland through children's food charity Magic Breakfast.
Rashford, 23, has campaigned to tackle child hunger and was awarded an MBE.
The aim of the book club is to encourage reading for pleasure among children who do not have access to books at home.
A survey by the National Literacy Trust in 2019 showed that 383,775 children do not own a single book.
image captionMarcus Rashford was awarded an MBE for his campaigns on child hunge
Rashford said: "For too long, the joy of reading has been restricted by whether or not a family has the contingency budget to purchase books.
"The children who often miss out are those on free school meals and users of breakfast clubs, who more than likely need fiction, and non-fiction, to escape reality from time to time.
"We haven't been affording these children the option of reading for fun, but that changes today.
"Everyone is aware of my experiences with breakfast club - it brightened up the start of my day, it stabilised the school day for me, allowed me to engage in reading and allowed me to form life-long friendships."
image captionMarcus Rashford was awarded a prestigious Gold Blue Peter badge for his work in making a difference to young people’s lives
Rachael Anderson, head of schools at Magic Breakfast, said: "We know children at our partner schools will be delighted to have a Marcus' Book Club book of their own to take home and keep, and this will help inspire a new generation of children to discover the joy of reading."
The book club will launch in June 2021 with the illustrated time travel adventure A Dinosaur Ate My Sister, written by Pooja Puri and illustrated by Allen Fatimaharan.
I was just referring to me calling Starmer a **** there roofie. I should just stick to making silly posts on none political threads. I just get really peed off that I'm the one who is supposed to compromise and throw away everything that I believe in and vote for a turd in turds clothing like Starmer because people think that the only way that the labour party can beat the Tory party is by becoming them. What would be the point of that? We get more like America every day.I meant personal about Sturmer (!)
He doesnt need us to call him anything derogatory - he does it without opening his mouth!
UTMB
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Marcus Rashford has been more of an opposition leader during Johnsons tenure at no. 10. Hes put his money and his effort into doing things for underprivileged kids - without wrapping himself in union flags.
Thats what "leadership" looks like:
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Marcus Rashford launches book club for disadvantaged children
The book club will see 50,000 books distributed across 850 primary schools in England and Scotland.www.bbc.co.ukMarcus Rashford launches book club for disadvantaged children
Published
11 hours ago
image copyrightGetty Images
image captionManchester United forward Marcus Rashford has campaigned for children to claim free school meal vouchers in the school holidays during the coronavirus pandemic
Footballer Marcus Rashford has launched a book club to get disadvantaged children reading more.
The England and Manchester United striker has teamed up with publisher Macmillan Children's which will donate 50,000 books.
They will be distributed in more than 850 primary schools across England and Scotland through children's food charity Magic Breakfast.
Rashford, 23, has campaigned to tackle child hunger and was awarded an MBE.
The aim of the book club is to encourage reading for pleasure among children who do not have access to books at home.
A survey by the National Literacy Trust in 2019 showed that 383,775 children do not own a single book.
image captionMarcus Rashford was awarded an MBE for his campaigns on child hunge
Rashford said: "For too long, the joy of reading has been restricted by whether or not a family has the contingency budget to purchase books.
"The children who often miss out are those on free school meals and users of breakfast clubs, who more than likely need fiction, and non-fiction, to escape reality from time to time.
"We haven't been affording these children the option of reading for fun, but that changes today.
"Everyone is aware of my experiences with breakfast club - it brightened up the start of my day, it stabilised the school day for me, allowed me to engage in reading and allowed me to form life-long friendships."
image captionMarcus Rashford was awarded a prestigious Gold Blue Peter badge for his work in making a difference to young people’s lives
Rachael Anderson, head of schools at Magic Breakfast, said: "We know children at our partner schools will be delighted to have a Marcus' Book Club book of their own to take home and keep, and this will help inspire a new generation of children to discover the joy of reading."
The book club will launch in June 2021 with the illustrated time travel adventure A Dinosaur Ate My Sister, written by Pooja Puri and illustrated by Allen Fatimaharan.
r00fie1
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I agree.
A politician who sacrifices his principles to obtain power has no principles at all.
Any man who climbs into bed with the establishment, will never be a leader of change and betterment for the many, but a bulwark to protect the privileged few.
Muttley
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Love you too sweetie.
It's just an observation. When you read the origin of these things do you stop to think who's interest it is in to repeat it? I get that it is a little hypocritical but did you expect him never to fly again? The Corbyn experiment is over it didn't work, more than anything through lies and sound bites repeated with relish by those of the centre left, so now the left of the left are doing the Tory's work for them. Is that not hypocritical too? The most important thing for me is to get the Tories out, that will not be achieved by parroting their soundbites for them. So when you are fed this stuff maybe just shrug and let it go. There will be a time when we may need to question Starmer's "leadership", as the country emerges from a pandemic is not the time, they are understandably popular at the moment. We can go to the pub, we can go shopping in Primark and see our friends again, hurrah. There will be a time when this is over when we will judge, THAT is when we need an effective opposition, led by an effective leader. If Starmer fails then, judge him on his failure not on him flying to Edinburgh instead of taking the train, it's trivial.
Kisses to you as well mate. I already said upthread that I don't want to fall out with anyone over politics so sorry if I came across as a bit aggressive there. I just see things differently to you. Probably because I have a bum for a face and that means that I only have the one eye. There was certainly an appetite for Corbyn's labour in 2017 because they surprised the hell out of the press and half of their own MPs who'd been actively working against him by getting more votes then any previous leader had since Blair's first landslide. I don't believe that that just evaporated over two years. The last election was all about Brexit. Labour tried to do the only thing that they could by appealing to both sides of the divide but unfortunately a lot of the public are as thick as pig **** and that was too complicated for them to understand. Starmer has already failed. Look at the polls and the way that he's gone back on every single one of the ten pledges that got him elected. I say it on every one of these political threads that I'm stupid enough to get involved in but the only good thing about Starmer is that he isn't Jess Phillips. Things could always be worse.
Edit: And there was that ridiculous lib dem woman too, wasn't there? I can't even remember her name. She was hilarious in the debates but she did a fair bit of damage to the labour party too. Her entire pitch was 'I think that good things are good and I'm in favour of them but bad things are bad and I really don't like those but Jeremy Corbyn is the devil incarnate and he WILL eat your children if you don't vote for me' And then they set up a fraudulent website about strategic voting and sent out a load of leaflets that were full of lies too. I was so pleased when she lost her seat.
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asredastheycome
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Thats rare coming from someone who had Covid. Or have you forgot that being young and fit
Andy_W
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It's not just JC, it's the people that think the same way that enabled him to get in, it's the same lot who enabled the mass loss of seats. You just don't get it, and you never will as you don't understand the centre.
Andy_W
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The Tories have moved right as the voters have moved right (maybe some of those temporarily with Brexit), all the while labour went left with JC.
I see why the logic of triangulating appeals to people. It's just that it doesn't work in practice. The tory votes gone up in each of the last 5 or so elections. But they haven't been moving towards the centre, they're getting more and more right wing. Labour have gained seats in 1 election of the last 6. That was 2017, the election that was their biggest shift to the left compared to the one before it.
As the voters were walking away from Labour they didn't even try and chase them, they turned around and walked in the opposite direction.
Like I say though, I'm not against labours policies, I've not been since and including Blair, as anything is better than the tories, but I realise if you go too far left you lose the middle or those that shift right.
Like I said before, those in the middle are worth two votes, as every one you gain, it's one lost from the other side.
Labour should be totally tactical, anything in order to win, but they've been operating in a dreamworld, thinking the UK will come left to them, it won't and certainly wasn't going to in JC's time.
Andy_W
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That can't be right BBG
Those that enabled JC, those pushing the party left, lost them the seats, as well as those that came before him. The one that came after hasn't even had an election yet, but a lot of the damage is irreparable.
The trend for labour in Scotland has been down for a long time, something needs to change and Corbyn and those that enabled him wasn't doing it. They needed to get Scotland back, and fast, and they just didn't and not the SNP are just getting stronger and stronger.
I'm not overly concerned with the SNP mind, as they will at least hopefully do what is right for Scotland, which the Tories would not and they're also unlikely to side with the Tories. The problem with it, is that if the SNP get their indyref and they get out, then Labour will need to shift miles right to get any sort of influence in Enlgand again. I don't want that, but if the left of labour don't get real, that's where we're heading, as mathematically and tactically there needs to be some centre movement, quick.