Starmer flying from London to Edinburgh

Andy_W said:
He will unite more people for labour than corby did, although saying that, he won't even need to. The far left 10m won't be worth as much as the left ish and middle 12m, or even 10m etc. The far left can't/ won't vote tory ever, ever, ever and there's always a coalition chance with them, so a vote lost there is not one that will work against them, ever.

In the middle, every vote gained is one the tories lose, it's a swing vote, they're more important, twice as important, especially in critical seats.

I think the last year, he's kept quite middle of the road and kept quite quiet, which has been the right thing to do in a pandemic. Just sit there and be quiet whilst the tories burn their own house down.

Losing your vote is fine, you won't vote tory and if it gains a vote in the middle you've been replaced. It also means the toris are one down too, so it's a win.
Also, whoever you vote for would probably be up for a coalition, or more likely, whoever you vote for won't win that seat.
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🤦‍♂️ groan not this again Andy.

I see why the logic of triangulating appeals to people. It's just that it doesn't work in practice. The tory votes gone up in each of the last 5 or so elections. But they haven't been moving towards the centre, they're getting more and more right wing. Labour have gained seats in 1 election of the last 6. That was 2017, the election that was their biggest shift to the left compared to the one before it.
 
Andy_W said:
Gain control and then try and go for proportional representation, nobody honest and fair should not want proportional representation. If it;s sold truthfully, it should get in.
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Nice idea. But if a centrist Labour party somehow wins back Scotland, and gets themselves in to government (don't laugh!), what will motivate them to change the voting system? Massive constitutional changes aren't exactly what I'd call 'centrist' and you've just told us you're getting rid of any principles before it even gets close.
 
He's just been booted out of a pub in Bath, superb to see, hopefully every MP who voted for lockdown suffers the same fate.
 
Six opposition parties have called upon Commons speaker, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, to allow a vote on an inquiry into Boris Johnson’s “consistent failure to be honest” in statements to MPs.
The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, was invited to sign the letter, but declined. A party source said Labour did not normally sign up to initiatives launched by other parties.

Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition.
 
Blimey.

Wasn't Starmer's USP meant to be how professional and electable he'd be? Couldn't he have an admin assistant ringing pubs and googling churches before he just shows up to make sure he's welcome and there won't be any embarrassing controversies?
 
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SmallTown said:
It's a funny world we live in isn't it? Leader of one political party constantly caught lying, spends public money on the Mistress he was seeing whilst his wife had cancer, overseas the most corrupt period of governance in modern times. Is at the helm of a country with one of the worst covid deaths rates in the world.

Leader of another one: flies on a plane, giving business to a British company badly affected by the last year.

I know which one I find less agreeable
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Nice way of completely missing the point about Starmer smalltown. My dislike for the bloke has nothing to do with him taking that flight and everything to do with his beliefs and the way that he's acted since idiots voted for him to become leader. He's in the wrong party.
 
bumface said:
Nice way of completely missing the point about Starmer smalltown. My dislike for the bloke has nothing to do with him taking that flight and everything to do with his beliefs and the way that he's acted since idiots voted for him to become leader. He's in the wrong party.
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If you think about it he’s doing a sterling job for the Tories by being an inept leader of a non-opposition. So perhaps he’s in the right party for his own personal political ambitions.
 
Colin Warnek said:
If you think about it he’s doing a sterling job for the Tories by being an inept leader of a non-opposition. So perhaps he’s in the right party for his own personal political ambitions.
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I don't think the bloke even knows what the word opposition means. But I'm in the minority on here of course and I know that and that's why I usually stay away from politics threads because I don't want to fall out with people over my political views. I should have stayed away from this thread too.
 
Andy_W said:
Right, by people I meant "some" people, not all people. Namely, it's the far left of labour doing the complaining, not those in the middle of labour, those on the right of labour, or those outside of labour. The point is the left need to get on side, or just go, as they're sinking the ship trying to pull labour ina direction which loses votes from the middle. The people in the middles will not change their principles overnight, it will take years and decades and there's zero chance of getting them to change without being in power and demonstrating a good change.

Principle is all fine and dandy, to those who have principles, but it doesn't win votes. Or it doesn't win more than it loses. What wins votes is doing what most would agree is fine for the circumstances, or appealing to a large chunk of people who are there for the taking.

Coup? Corbyn was his own coup, he was his own (his parties) worst enemy, he did more damage to labour than the tories could ever do. Wrong man, wrong time, wrong place and that is coming from someone who very begrudgingly voted for him (well I didn't vote for him, I voted for Labour/ my MP).

He will unite more people for labour than corby did, although saying that, he won't even need to. The far left 10m won't be worth as much as the left ish and middle 12m, or even 10m etc. The far left can't/ won't vote tory ever, ever, ever and there's always a coalition chance with them, so a vote lost there is not one that will work against them, ever.

In the middle, every vote gained is one the tories lose, it's a swing vote, they're more important, twice as important, especially in critical seats.

I think the last year, he's kept quite middle of the road and kept quite quiet, which has been the right thing to do in a pandemic. Just sit there and be quiet whilst the tories burn their own house down.

Losing your vote is fine, you won't vote tory and if it gains a vote in the middle you've been replaced. It also means the toris are one down too, so it's a win.
Also, whoever you vote for would probably be up for a coalition, or more likely, whoever you vote for won't win that seat.

Being two party is bad news, I agree on that, but it's just the way it is and the only way to swing things away from the tories is to vote for the one thing that has a chance against them, which is labour and a labour which is not trying to change the world, too quickly, and when they're nowhere near having any sort of control. Gain control and then try and go for proportional representation, nobody honest and fair should not want proportional representation. If it;s sold truthfully, it should get in.
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Nonsence.
 
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bumface said:
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Nice way of completely missing the point about Starmer smalltown. My dislike for the bloke has nothing to do with him taking that flight and everything to do with his beliefs and the way that he's acted since idiots voted for him to become leader. He's in the wrong party.
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Didn't miss the point. But I'm glad you ignored mine. I guess that makes it honours even!
 
Scrote said:
The problem with channelling anger at the Tories is that it does nothing.

The people that put themselves forwards as the force for change need to be held to account by the people they expect to put them into power. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Can’t agree with this, channeling everything at Labour makes Labour look divided and full of infighting which is exactly what the tories want. They’re winning People over by forcing councils to increase council tax and making everyone think the sun shines our of houchens backside for spending the money that’s ours to spend anyway, by promoting in fighting we are just doing their job for them
 
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