Southgate - England's best manager?

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

"Southgate - Englands best manager?"​

I'd like anyone who thinks other wise to tell me what they were thinking on the 11th July last year.

 

[ForssAwakens]

I don't need to 'grandstand' whatever that os. My opinion of him has been consistent si ce his time with us as a manager.

sounds like your entenched in your view of hun and have confirmation bias

 

[Brian Marwood]

Me thinks some of you are allowing your judgement of Southgate the England manager to be clouded by his time as Southgate the Middlesbrough manager. Even if he managed to win the World Cup he would be lucky and still a poor manager in those clouded eyes.

 

[jam69]

Good article in the Guardian today about this.

England fans finally have a stick to beat Gareth Southgate with | Barney Ronay

Despite his tournament success, supporters have not taken to the manager and the team’s disintegration against Hungary in the Nations League has given their complaints substance

www.theguardian.com

Let's be honest if social media is anything to go by Southgates crime has been letting and encouraging the players to take the knee, they were as the article says waiting for a stick to beat his liberal **** with

 

[theredrooster]

I don't need to 'grandstand' whatever that os. My opinion of him has been consistent si ce his time with us as a manager.
As a player I'd say he was consistently the best CB we've ever had and never gave less than 100%. A model pro.
But why people think he could transition from abject club failure to Intenational success is beyond me.
His style with us was react to nothing... he never changed tactics and rarely subbed during games because he was unable to.
He never seemed to motivate our lot so how he'll suddenly be able to motivate the best the Country has to offer is again beyond me
Just my opinion
Although I don't give a fk about Qatar coz we shouldn't be there anyway.

So basically you are admitting you are judging the guy based on his performance in his first ever job.

I think most of us the first time we ever do something make mistakes and could potentially look a bit inept (not I think he was inept, as he did ok considering his hands were tied to some extent). However, with a bit of time, learning, practice, reflection and refinement we learn from our past mistakes, adapt and improve our performance. I think it is unarguable that Southgate has done that and he is now a far better proposition as a manager than he was when he had the reins here (although like us all he could improve further still). I think @GazC_MFC 's comment about confirmation bias is spot on.

 

[uncle_rico]

Let's be honest if social media is anything to go by Southgates crime has been letting and encouraging the players to take the knee, they were as the article says waiting for a stick to beat his liberal **** with

One of the biggest issues I have with Southgate is that he, like Gary Neville, is one of the biggest private landlords in the UK. He makes millions annually from his many many properties that are rented out. He, like Neville, believes that his activities should be excluded when he lectures people about morals and ethics.

 

[ForssAwakens]

One of the biggest issues I have with Southgate is that he, like Gary Neville, is one of the biggest private landlords in the UK. He makes millions annually from his many many properties that are rented out. He, like Neville, believes that his activities should be excluded when he lectures people about morals and ethics.

You don’t know a single thing about how he operates as a landlord, do you?

 

[BoroMart]

One of the biggest issues I have with Southgate is that he, like Gary Neville, is one of the biggest private landlords in the UK. He makes millions annually from his many many properties that are rented out. He, like Neville, believes that his activities should be excluded when he lectures people about morals and ethics.

Investing your money rather than blowing it on hookers and champagne isn't immoral. Being a landlord isn't in itself immoral either.

In fact it's a revenue stream for the exchequer that funds lots of social services. Just as long as it's all UK registered, and paying his taxes as he should be.

Is he a landlord for properties that underpin the lack of social housing? or is it for middle classes or executives? They're very different.

Is he a landlord know for under investing his properties and letting tenants put up with the issues, or is he on top of it and ensuring properties are safe and comfortable?

 

[zzzzz]

So basically you are admitting you are judging the guy based on his performance in his first ever job.

I think most of us the first time we ever do something make mistakes and could potentially look a bit inept (not I think he was inept, as he did ok considering his hands were tied to some extent). However, with a bit of time, learning, practice, reflection and refinement we learn from our past mistakes, adapt and improve our performance. I think it is unarguable that Southgate has done that and he is now a far better proposition as a manager than he was when he had the reins here (although like us all he could improve further still). I think @GazC_MFC 's comment about confirmation bias is spot on.

Yes. What else will he be judged on?
He did a shyte job of his first club in charge and should never have been given the top managers role in the Country.
And he's still shyte.

'Humiliating' not from me.... from the BBC.

 

[zzzzz]

Let's be honest if social media is anything to go by Southgates crime has been letting and encouraging the players to take the knee, they were as the article says waiting for a stick to beat his liberal **** with

Heard it all now.

Blaming taking the knee for being a shyte Manager. As pathetic as getting beat 4-0 at home by no hopers.

Just about the only thing he's got right, taking the knee and he should be commended for only that.

 

[Pembroke]

"Southgate - Englands best manager?"​

I'd like anyone who thinks other wise to tell me what they were thinking on the 11th July last year.

Mr Southgate would continue down the path of possession via building through the thirds ultra cautiously, but ultimately fail due to very low chance creation

 

[ForssAwakens]

Investing your money rather than blowing it on hookers and champagne isn't immoral. Being a landlord isn't in itself immoral either.

In fact it's a revenue stream for the exchequer that funds lots of social services. Just as long as it's all UK registered, and paying his taxes as he should be.

Is he a landlord for properties that underpin the lack of social housing? or is it for middle classes or executives? They're very different.

Is he a landlord know for under investing his properties and letting tenants put up with the issues, or is he on top of it and ensuring properties are safe and comfortable?

You put it a lot better than my one liner haha

 

[Diego]

I said my piece in regards to been a bit unhappy about Southgate tactically and his approach the last few games. But this is getting way too personal from some, who cares if he is a landlord and what has that got to do with his ability to manage football team? This thread has been on so many tangents

 

[BoroMart]

I said my piece in regards to been a bit unhappy about Southgate tactically and his approach the last few games. But this is getting way too personal from some, who cares if he is a landlord and what has that got to do with his ability to manage football team? This thread has been on so many tangents

the fact that these tangents appear tells you this is a prejudiced conclusion by his detractors.

 

[SmogonOuseburn]

I think that Southgate is a very intelligent, personable manager who shows excellent leadership qualities. His record in qualifications and tournaments is very good. Just because we lost a meaningless game 4-0 doesn’t justify the criticism and abuse that he has been subjected to. Who do his detractors think will take the job and do better?

 

[BoroMart]

I think that Southgate is a very intelligent, personable manager who shows excellent leadership qualities. His record in qualifications and tournaments is very good. Just because we lost a meaningless game 4-0 doesn’t justify the criticism and abuse that he has been subjected to. Who do his detractors think will take the job and do better?

I doubt they care, as long as he stops them kneeling, hates Corbyn and is a brexiteer.......Warnock maybe?

 

[HundredRoom]

Hes got the best set of talent available to him than any of his predecessors. Players make good teams not managers.
Southgate continues to ignore some of that talent.
If he was that good a manager we wouldn't have sacked him. If / when he comes back to club management he will be found lacking,

 

[ForssAwakens]

Hes got the best set of talent available to him than any of his predecessors. Players make good teams not managers.
Southgate continues to ignore some of that talent.
If he was that good a manager we wouldn't have sacked him. If / when he comes back to club management he will be found lacking,

Better than sven it capello. I can’t think of a single defender who would get a game in those 2 teams playing today

 

[BoroMart]

Hes got the best set of talent available to him than any of his predecessors.

Really?

Capello had James > Pickford; A Cole>Shaw; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; and he had players like Carrick, King, Defoe on the bench whoa re better than we have today.

Eriksson had: A Cole> Shaw; Ferdinand>Stones; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; Owen> Abraham. Bench Campbell, Hargreaves, Carrick who would all walk into todays first team.

or maybe we go back to Hoddles team?: Seaman>Pickford; Campbell>Maguire; Adams>Stones; Ince>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Shearer=Kane; Scholes>Mount, Owen=Kane. Plus Sheringham, Merson, McManaman, Les and Rio Ferdinand.

or maybe it's Bobby Robsons Italia 90 team that this squad is better than?
Shilton=Pickford; Pearce>Shaw; Walker>Stones; Butcher=Maguire; Robson>Philips; Beardsley>Mount; Lineker=Kane; Gascoigne>Rice that's before you get to Platt, McMahon, Waddle and Barnes.

Come on, how exactly is this current squad the most talented ever. How is it more talented than the above teams on an individual player basis?

I've listed some amazingly talented squads, but they largely failed, certainly none have acheived what Southgate's has.

Players make good teams not managers.
Southgate continues to ignore some of that talent.

Which particular talent is he ignoring?

 

[HundredRoom]

Really?

Capello had James > Pickford; A Cole>Shaw; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; and he had players like Carrick, King, Defoe on the bench whoa re better than we have today.

Eriksson had: A Cole> Shaw; Ferdinand>Stones; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; Owen> Abraham. Bench Campbell, Hargreaves, Carrick who would all walk into todays first team.

or maybe we go back to Hoddles team?: Seaman>Pickford; Campbell>Maguire; Adams>Stones; Ince>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Shearer=Kane; Scholes>Mount, Owen=Kane. Plus Sheringham, Merson, McManaman, Les and Rio Ferdinand.

or maybe it's Bobby Robsons Italia 90 team that this squad is better than?
Shilton=Pickford; Pearce>Shaw; Walker>Stones; Butcher=Maguire; Robson>Philips; Beardsley>Mount; Lineker=Kane; Gascoigne>Rice that's before you get to Platt, McMahon, Waddle and Barnes.

Come on, how exactly is this current squad the most talented ever. How is it more talented than the above teams on an individual player basis?

I've listed some amazingly talented squads, but they largely failed, certainly none have acheived what Southgate's has.


Which particular talent is he ignoring?

grealish for one