Southgate - England's best manager?

BoroMart said:
Really?

Capello had James > Pickford; A Cole>Shaw; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; and he had players like Carrick, King, Defoe on the bench whoa re better than we have today.

Eriksson had: A Cole> Shaw; Ferdinand>Stones; Terry>Maguire; Gerrard>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Lampard>Rice; Rooney>Kane; Owen> Abraham. Bench Campbell, Hargreaves, Carrick who would all walk into todays first team.

or maybe we go back to Hoddles team?: Seaman>Pickford; Campbell>Maguire; Adams>Stones; Ince>Philips; Beckham>Saka; Shearer=Kane; Scholes>Mount, Owen=Kane. Plus Sheringham, Merson, McManaman, Les and Rio Ferdinand.

or maybe it's Bobby Robsons Italia 90 team that this squad is better than?
Shilton=Pickford; Pearce>Shaw; Walker>Stones; Butcher=Maguire; Robson>Philips; Beardsley>Mount; Lineker=Kane; Gascoigne>Rice that's before you get to Platt, McMahon, Waddle and Barnes.

Come on, how exactly is this current squad the most talented ever. How is it more talented than the above teams on an individual player basis?

I've listed some amazingly talented squads, but they largely failed, certainly none have acheived what Southgate's has.


Which particular talent is he ignoring?
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case well made Boromart. Puts my one liners to shame but its all I can muster up these days
 
Bang average manager.

I still can’t get over people thinking he did a good job in 2018.

The media, ex-players and pundits spent 2 years giving him smooth hand jobs for beating the titans of international football - Tunisia, Panama, Sweden and Colombia (on pens).

The moment we played anyone decent - Belgium (x2) and Croatia, we lost.
 
HundredRoom said:
grealish for one
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Grealish, started 4 and subbed on in 5 competitive games this season. 1 goal and 1 assist. He hasn't been consistent enough to prove he should be out there every game. Same at Man City really, in the two big tournaments the prem and champs league, he's got 4 goals and 4 assists all season.

Don't get me wrong, he's skillful and exciting, but he doesn't take the game by the scruff of the neck enough, he doesn't play the right ball enough and he doesn't score enough. Easy on the eye, but not always effective. However, saying that, Southgate has given him half the competitive games as a start, and half as a sub (despite him having injuries at times in camp), it's the sub appearances he has done the most good work. He needs to show when starting that he deserves to be in, and just hasn't done that yet. I'd love him to, because I enjoy watching him play, but he needs to do more
 
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InglebyUTB said:
The moment we played anyone decent - Belgium (x2) and Croatia, we lost.
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he has beaten Netherlands (friendly), Spain (NL), Croatia (NL), Belgium (NL), Croatia (Eu), Germany (Eu), Denmark (Eu)
drawn Italy (friendly), Croatia (NL), Denmark (NL), Italy (Eu), Germany (NL), Italy (NL)

So there are 13 examples of times very decent teams couldn't beat Gareth Southgates England, including 3 wins and a draw against the two sides you used as examples of decent sides that always beat us.
 
zzzzz said:
Still think he's a good manager?
I never did and still don't.
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I don’t know if he’s a good club manager, the evidence from when he was here is possibly not, but that doesn’t really have any relevance on whether he has been a good manager for England. What is relevant is how England have performed at major tournaments since he took over, which speaks for itself.
Also if one off heavy defeats, or even a short run of poor form makes someone a poor manager, then every manager from Shankly, to Ferguson, to Klopp is poor.
 
It's this still really going on? No one can give a comparison that stands up, Southgate v another England manager. The argument that Southgate has riches to pick from is clearly nonsense. I think mart has given player by player comparisons that have, largely been ignored. That in itself is telling.

Let's move on and restart the debate in quatar when, on one side we'll have the easiest route to a final ever, poor in game management and he isn't picking my favourites versus on the other hand, another great tournament.
 
BoroMart said:
Now I've seen a lot of anti-southgate nonsense in the last year, despite this being at worst our second best calendar year.

- Qualified for world cup with best attack and best defence
- lost a UERO final only on penalties
- Won 14, drew 5 Lost 0 (excluding penalty results which just isn't football)
- 52 goals scored in a calendar year
- 14 clean sheets
- and no one managed to score 2 against us
- all while bedding in youthful and inexperienced players, setting us up for a very bright future (U23 players used: Saka, Bellingham, Foden, Smith-Rowe, James, Rice, Sancho all replacing players like Dier, Rose, Lingard etc.)
- breaking records as manager of the England team with most competitive wins, most competitive goals, most competitive cleansheets
- and of course revenge over croatia and a knockout win against Germany

The future is very, very bright
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It wasn't then and it isn't now.
 
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