Southgate - England's best manager?

zorro_mfc said:
To that I say

View attachment 28042
Click to expand...
Yup, it's a great achievement, but a balanced view is that he had one great achievement on home soil, with the best squad in the world, failed to build on it and led to a national embarrassment losing at wembley to the poles with a clown in goal.

In his huge 12 year reign he had one match that was a higher achievement than what southgate gained, but he had a dozen results far worse than anything southgate got.

Southgates got another 7 years or so to achieve that win.
 
Not a balanced view at all do you know what happened in Mexico 70.

this is without the facilities pitches and infrastructure that we enjoy today.

make no mistake England will never have a better chance to win any tournament than we had this summer even going a goal
Up

and we blew it.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Not a balanced view at all do you know what happened in Mexico 70.

this is without the facilities pitches and infrastructure that we enjoy today.

make no mistake England will never have a better chance to win any tournament than we had this summer even going a goal
Up

and we blew it.
Click to expand...
YEs I know what happened in Mexico.....we lost.

Italy were unbeaten in a very long time, world record wasn't it, you think they should have been steamrolled over, that this was an easy win? Mad. I happen to think we had a better chance in 96 and probably 90. We were the best first XI in that 90 world cup, with 3 or 4of the best players in the competitions. Euro 96 we lost to a declined Germany with a real walkover in the final awaiting. Nobody says Venebles froze, or Robson, I guess their face fits with some fans a bit better.

Of ourse my view of Ramsey is balanced, it's looking at his entire england career, not just one month of it
 
Last edited:
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It means I don't think there is such a thing. It's the type of nonsense I hear from commentators which has me reaching for the mute button.
Click to expand...
maybe do some research then (google is your friend) and you'll realise there is such a thing. Just because you aren't aware of something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist
 
BoroMart said:
not entirely true, the England DNA is part of the programme of ensuring that there are suitable coaches, coaching the right things int he right way.

Southgate was at the core of that programme to develop the England DNA, it's used by every grassroots coach with a badge, and by every academy coach, and every manager that his taken his badges in the last 8 years or so.

Southgate is fundamental to the transformation to getting more technical players in the english game.
Click to expand...
What's the England DNA?
 
Tom_Boro said:
What's the England DNA?
Click to expand...
It's the FA strategic approach from grassroots to elite football for coaching footballers. It's effectively a coaching framework, including strategy, curriculum, and best practices.

The FA realised that we needed to create more technical and tactical footballers, and to do that we should ensure that we approached coaching in a more professional manner, not some blokes getting people to line up and run around cones.

You can find loads of stuff on line, not sure if you can get a bootroom.com access without a valid coaching badge, but loads of good stuff on it in there.
 
BoroMart said:
It's the FA strategic approach from grassroots to elite football for coaching footballers. It's effectively a coaching framework, including strategy, curriculum, and best practices.

The FA realised that we needed to create more technical and tactical footballers, and to do that we should ensure that we approached coaching in a more professional manner, not some blokes getting people to line up and run around cones.

You can find loads of stuff on line, not sure if you can get a bootroom.com access without a valid coaching badge, but loads of good stuff on it in there.
Click to expand...
Yes I read quite a bit into it, especially with what Germany did in the early 2000s
 
BoroMart said:
so you think it doesn't exist, therefore you've never read any of it :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Click to expand...
I've read about it, that's all I can say. It doesn't mean that I think it's responsible for us having a decent squad.

As I stated earlier, it's down to the clubs, their coaches develop the players. They spend little time with England compared to their time spent learning the game at their clubs.

It's similar to the bull we're fed about the MFC Academy. We produced as many players going on to perform at the top level prior to its introduction, yet people still spout about it on here.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I've read about it, that's all I can say. It doesn't mean that I think it's responsible for us having a decent squad.

As I stated earlier, it's down to the clubs, their coaches develop the players. They spend little time with England compared to their time spent learning the game at their clubs.

It's similar to the bull we're fed about the MFC Academy. We produced as many players going on to perform at the top level prior to its introduction, yet people still spout about it on here.
Click to expand...
I think you've missed the point, it starts at grassroots from a very young age. Not so much to do with professional clubs and national team but the coaching of youth across the board leads to a high national development level.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I've read about it, that's all I can say. It doesn't mean that I think it's responsible for us having a decent squad.

As I stated earlier, it's down to the clubs, their coaches develop the players. They spend little time with England compared to their time spent learning the game at their clubs.

It's similar to the bull we're fed about the MFC Academy. We produced as many players going on to perform at the top level prior to its introduction, yet people still spout about it on here.
Click to expand...
You do realise that Phil Foden was once coached at grassroots, as an U6, at some point he entered manchesters youth system, and had the same messages that he had at grassroots. Then he joined the academy and had the same messages as at youth, then on to city first team and eventually England and of course the detail is more, but it's aligned to what he was taught 10 years earlier at grassroots.

It's about how they play, as much about how they are taught, creating players that are taught to and play the same way. It's how Ajax flourished, and the french national side. It's about consistent messaging and approaches.

It might frighten you, but that doesn't make it worthless.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top