Snake oil salesman Cummings in the sh*t

Johnson is definitely the next sacrificial idiot. It has become apparent that far from the scheming chancer that I thought him to be he is a convenient puppet. Whether the puppeteer is Cummings or some other shadowy agent is unclear. Johnson is definitely going "under the bus" when everything goes "poop". But by then he will have performed the required function, crashed us out of the EU and allowed the disaster capitalists to trouser a few million.
 
Cummings won't be going anywhere. He won't sack himself.

The Tories are doing well in the polls and its 4 years till the next election.
 
go-nads! said:
Yup, nothing will happen, so what if he went a 100 times, the Tory’s have made it clear they are going to look after Cummings. They are hardly going to have his phone or sat nav open to scrutiny are they?

The government have and are doing far more serious and unethical policy and action than allowing an advisor to ignore lockdown rules.

Cummings doing what he wanted makes no difference to me or my family really.

The other **** they are getting away with, openly and without any opposition from swathes of the electorate and with the consent of the popular press does.
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it does make a difference to your family though,when a high profile architect of the rules treats them with contempt then it leads to others doing the same and spreading the virus more widely than it would otherwise, affecting us all including the safety of your family
 
SmallTown said:
I mean, he did travel for a place with a mass of cases of coronavirus, with symptoms himself, to the North East of England. No way of knowing if the virus he brought up will affect your family
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I agree, but the chances of me catching COVID is still very slim.

The chances of me or my family needing to make use of the NHS at some point in the future is pretty high. The NHS was always under threat from this government, the vast majority use and rely on it. The electorate as a whole saw the threat to the NHS as acceptable when weighed up against the need to get Brexit done.

All I was suggesting is that the electorate are quite happy to turn a blind eye to something (and many other policies that significantly shape their life) do serious, that an advisor doing as he pleases is small fry.

Personally I would have hoped that Cummings position was untenable, that Johnson’s support raises serious questions about his decision making, leadership and moral attributes put it appears all semblance of integrity was chucked a long time ago.

A mess.
 
jam69 said:
it does make a difference to your family though,when a high profile architect of the rules treats them with contempt then it leads to others doing the same and spreading the virus more widely than it would otherwise, affecting us all including the safety of your family
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I hope my last post makes it more clear.

I am sure that my posts at the time of the original transgression make my view clear. Cummings caused harm to the countries COVID effort, that’s not in question.
 
When are we going to jail Alistair Campbell for helping the creature take us into an illegal war? Is that worse than driving to Durham?
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Ashcroft said:
When are we going to jail Alistair Campbell for helping the creature take us into an illegal war? Is that worse than driving to Durham?
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Campbell isn't one of those to prosecute. Blair, Straw and Hoon, made the decision and Goldsmith misrepresented the legal case.

Campbell did the job he was paid for.
 
Ashcroft said:
"complicity in the commission of a crime against peace … is a crime under international law" Nuremberg 1945/6
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He left office 12 years ago. You'd think someone would have the gumption to initiate proceedings if they really thought he was guilty. Why don't you have a go instead of whining on here?
 
Ashcroft said:
"complicity in the commission of a crime against peace … is a crime under international law" Nuremberg 1945/6
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Yes, but although he might have sexed up the dossier and ordered it to complement rather than contradict the US statements, which might be an offence, Campbell was not a decision maker, nor was he privy to all of the intelligence.

It isn't clear he even did that. Chilcot cleared him of it and Chilcot was pretty thorough in the end.


'Sir John Chilcot’s report says that no one tampered with the dossier that was presented to Parliament in September 2002, which accurately represented the available intelligence – though Sir John critiicised the accompanying foreword supplied by Tony Blair.

“There is no evidence that intelligence was improperly included in the dossier or that No 10 improperly influenced the text,” the report concludes.'
 
BoroFur said:
He left office 12 years ago. You'd think someone would have the gumption to initiate proceedings if they really thought he was guilty. Why don't you have a go instead of whining on here?
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There have been attempts, most notably by Reg Keys, which sadly came to naught.
 
Lefty said:
Yes, but although he might have sexed up the dossier and ordered it to complement rather than contradict the US statements, which might be an offence, Campbell was not a decision maker, nor was he privy to all of the intelligence.

It isn't clear he even did that. Chilcot cleared him of it and Chilcot was pretty thorough in the end.


'Sir John Chilcot’s report says that no one tampered with the dossier that was presented to Parliament in September 2002, which accurately represented the available intelligence – though Sir John critiicised the accompanying foreword supplied by Tony Blair.

“There is no evidence that intelligence was improperly included in the dossier or that No 10 improperly influenced the text,” the report concludes.'
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Lefty, stop bringing facts and balance to this, don't you know common knowledge that Blair is Beelzebub and his advisors and cabinet were his minions. Well that is what the press have pushed during the Tory return to power
 
BoroMart said:
depends on the time frame you are talking. Would you say the chances of you not catching flu over a 5 year period are slim? This is more contagious than flu and more deadly.
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But to directly link this to one person?

I’m not disputing Cummings and the government are wrong. I am saying they are getting away with far worse with impunity and without this level of scrutiny or criticism.

My point is that if they can get away with these things, the chances are Cummings will continue in his high profile position.
 
Ashcroft said:
Sorry, I thought whining was compulsory on here.
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Haha 😂 it is mate. That and giving each other a good old slap on the back when taking part in the favourite pass time of Tory Bashing.

You would think someone on here might have a go themselves at prosecuting all these illegal activities. Well if you have too it only seems fair

I’m off to a shooting party now. Got the servants to round up some commoners to hunt down for a laugh
 
Cooper671 said:
Haha 😂 it is mate. That and giving each other a good old slap on the back when taking part in the favourite pass time of Tory Bashing.

You would think someone on here might have a go themselves at prosecuting all these illegal activities. Well if you have too it only seems fair

I’m off to a shooting party now. Got the servants to round up some commoners to hunt down for a laugh
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Careful. You know how yours usually go.

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go-nads! said:
But to directly link this to one person?

I’m not disputing Cummings and the government are wrong. I am saying they are getting away with far worse with impunity and without this level of scrutiny or criticism.

My point is that if they can get away with these things, the chances are Cummings will continue in his high profile position.
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I wouldn't directly link to one person, I would say that as the architect of government strategy to not follow that strategy is a terrible precedent. Culture flows down hill, right! The publicity around his actions and his brazen bare faced lying and smugness about the whole thing, played out on the lawn of number 10, to the entire media ensemble, clearly sent out the message that the lockdown was not law but guidelines to be circumvented as you choose. Is just Cummings to blame for that? No every single Tory that stood in front of a camera and lied on Cummings behalf is also culpable, not just him.
 
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