Snake oil salesman Cummings in the sh*t

#4
He’s utterly screwed....that is if he had any morals at all. They’ll make up some nonsense and sweep it under the carpet as per this government. Utterly clueless. Nobody will listen to advice and it’ll cause chaos this weekend. He should be sacked immediately but Boris clearly isn’t strong enough to do it.
 
#7
The government aren't even trying to be discreet about their double speak now. No doubt Cummings will spin this out. Add to this the schools debacle and that SAGE modelled 9 different scenarios re schools going back. The least risky one the government didn't choose. The one they have chosen i.e. reception, yr1 and yr6 wasn't one of the models. How can they say that they've followed the scientific evidence throughout.
 

br14

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#8
This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).

It's obvious Cummings and his wife were in no state to care for their son and turned to their parents for help. I imagine similar scenarios have played out all over the country in the past few months. I'd do the same for my son and his wife and my grandson if they were sick - whatever the risk to myself.
 

kuepper

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#9
This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).

It's obvious Cummings and his wife were in no state to care for their son and turned to their parents for help. I imagine similar scenarios have played out all over the country in the past few months. I'd do the same for my son and his wife and my grandson if they were sick - whatever the risk to myself.
In no state to care for their son - but though affected with coronavirus symptoms- and so probably unfit to drive - put him in the confined space of a car with them for hours, and then left him with vulnerable 70+ grandparents who the PM said specifically shouldn't be visited in any circumstances. Then drove back to London in a likely unfit to drive state. Govt policy at the time which became law on March 26, stated: “You should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home. The only exception is if they need help, such as having shopping or medication dropped off.”
NB At the time Downing St claimed he was holed up in London and he told the Mail the same, liar that he is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...isolation-wife-young-son-ill-coronavirus.html
 
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RandySavage

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This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).

It's obvious Cummings and his wife were in no state to care for their son and turned to their parents for help. I imagine similar scenarios have played out all over the country in the past few months. I'd do the same for my son and his wife and my grandson if they were sick - whatever the risk to myself.
bull****.
She was writing articles throughout. All to see online.

The lockdown is unraveling.
 

br14

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#11
She was writing articles throughout
She wasn't as sick as Cummings, but she wasn't writing articles all the time (she's an editor for the Spectator). She missed her usual monthly article in the Spectator in March for example.

And isn't it possible Cummings parents came down to London and picked them up? Or perhaps he arranged for a driver.

It's a year or so since I had serious influenza, but I'm fairly certain I couldn't have cared for a four year old for at least three days at that time. And I don't think government policy runs to allowing four year old children to go without food, or sick parents to have no one to help them. I appreciate Cummings is the Devils progeny, but I would have thought that even the most ardent Cummings hater would have some compassion for the seriously ill, or if not for them for their children.
 

Billy Horner

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#12
This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).
I agree. It's much, much more serious than that.

This is a person who is the most senior government advisor, who has been part of the SAGE meetings, who has ignored not just the official government advice but a government instruction for those who have coronavirus symptoms not to leave home "for any reason". He's taken a 500 mile round trip to take his child, who must have been at risk of carrying the virus, to stay with his elderly parents, who were supposed to be isolating themselves as vulnerable people.

This is much more serious than the previous examples of the Scottish chief medical officer and Neil Ferguson. This is someone who was infected with Covid-19 (or certainly had the symptoms) at the time he chose to ignore the rules for his own convenience, potentially infecting elderly relatives and helping spread the virus from one part of the country to another.

And isn't it possible Cummings parents came down to London and picked them up? Or perhaps he arranged for a driver..
No. The reason the press have got this story is that a neighbour reported seeing him with small child in Durham during the week he was supposed to be self-isolating at home. Durham Constabulary have confirmed that they received such a report and have also stated that they contacted the family who confirmed that he had been present at the address.
 

RandySavage

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#13
She wasn't as sick as Cummings, but she wasn't writing articles all the time (she's an editor for the Spectator). She missed her usual monthly article in the Spectator in March for example.

And isn't it possible Cummings parents came down to London and picked them up? Or perhaps he arranged for a driver.

It's a year or so since I had serious influenza, but I'm fairly certain I couldn't have cared for a four year old for at least three days at that time. And I don't think government policy runs to allowing four year old children to go without food, or sick parents to have no one to help them. I appreciate Cummings is the Devils progeny, but I would have thought that even the most ardent Cummings hater would have some compassion for the seriously ill, or if not for them for their children.
Other people in a less privileged position he and his find themselves in have had to cope with exactly that. According to him as and colleagues we weren't allowed to visit parents, weren't allowed to travel from one end of the country to another, couldn't visit our second homes (assuming we were lucky enough to have one) and shouldn't be leaving the house at all if you have symptoms of covid-19.

So that's the prime minister's top advisor,

One of the SAGE committee who's model played a massive part on these contradictory lockdown measures.

and Scotland's chief medical officer all playing the one rule for the minions and another rule for us.

Obviously this virus with a death rate well under 1% can't be as deadly as the media make it out to be can it?
 

Chris_Boro

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#14
The rules of lockdown are to self isolate at home for 7 days if you had symtoms of C19 and 14 days for anyone else in the household.

Not only did Mr Cummings not do this, he drove, with his symtomatic wife and probably asymtomatic child from one end of the country to the other.

The simple fact he took this journey is against the rules as he is putting the lives of emergency workers at risk if he had an accident. Doing so to stay on your elderly parents estate for childcare is another level.

Millions of people across the nation have not been able to visit their parents and children to grandparents. Many have had to care for their children at home in isolation while sick from the virus as per the rules.

Mr Cummings position is untenable and should resign or be sacked.
 
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GazC_MFC

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This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).

It's obvious Cummings and his wife were in no state to care for their son and turned to their parents for help. I imagine similar scenarios have played out all over the country in the past few months. I'd do the same for my son and his wife and my grandson if they were sick - whatever the risk to myself.
Bed ridden for 10 days? But seen playing in the garden with his son on the 5th April

Wife stating building towers with son while ‘Dom’ in bed’
 

GazC_MFC

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#16
The rules of lockdown are to self isolate at home for 7 days if you had symtoms of C19 and 14 days for anyone else in the household.

Not only did Mr Cummings not do this, he drove, with his symtomatic wife and probably asymtomatic child from one end of the country to the other.

The simple fact he took this journey is against the rules as he is putting the lives of emergency workers at risk if he had an accident. Doing so to stay on your elderly parents estate for childcare is another level.

Millions of people across the nation have not been able to visit their parents and children to grandparents. Many have had to care for their children at home in isolation while sick from the virus as per the rules.

Mr Cummings position is untenable and should resign or be sacked.
I’ve had to put my 2 year old into childcare so that me and my wife are able to my job, my wife being a critical worker. She’s in there with all other critical workers.

I’ve had grandparents in tears, if this lad isn’t sacked people who are less patient than me will flout this rule, starting this weekend and it could undo the work that has already been done

It’s been a total Sh1tshow start to finish from this government
 

festa5

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#17
I’ve had to put my 2 year old into childcare so that me and my wife are able to my job, my wife being a critical worker. She’s in there with all other critical workers.

I’ve had grandparents in tears, if this lad isn’t sacked people who are less patient than me will flout this rule, starting this weekend and it could undo the work that has already been done

It’s been a total Sh1tshow start to finish from this government
Test of leadership. Pretty easy one, but the money is on them failing it. And this hot on the heels of them having to climb down on the fees for NHS workers when it became clear the majority of the country have more decency about them than the cabinet and weren't happy.

I knew this lot would be bad. Not quite sure I expected it to become so evident so quickly. Only hard core apologists can really defend this. Even other Tories aren't happy and this after they've culled most of the moderates.
 
#18
This is a lot different to someone who is healthy wandering off to a holiday cottage for a weekend. (Though frankly I don't see much wrong with that either, provided care is taken not to infect others).

It's obvious Cummings and his wife were in no state to care for their son and turned to their parents for help. I imagine similar scenarios have played out all over the country in the past few months. I'd do the same for my son and his wife and my grandson if they were sick - whatever the risk to myself.
As others no doubt mentioning, how can a couple be unfit to care for a child but capable of driving for hours to place the child with 2 over seventies!
Methinks you're showing your polical petticoat me old!
 

Chris_Boro

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#19
By extension, what did Boris Johnson know of this?

I would find it very hard to believe if he did not know Cummings did this. If he knew his most senior adviser, who is participating in SAGE meetings and relaying these meetings to him, broke lockdown laws but ignored it then he has brought himself into the firing line.

To tell the nation to stay at home to save lives while staying silent on his right hand man flouting that advice, for me, makes his position just as untenable.
 

1finny

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#20
This will all go away
He was using his version of ‘common sense’

Now, if he’d been a member of Sage who spoke his mind but met a lover for a shag....that would be really serious
 
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