Simple VAR vote to gauge opinion

What would you like to see happen with VAR?

  • It is ruining football. Burn it, put the ashes in a rocket and fire them into deep space forevermore

    Votes: 90 73.8%

  • I like it. It’s improved the game and my enjoyment of the match. Keep it.

    Votes: 19 15.6%

  • Not fussed either way. Couldn’t care less if it stays or goes.

    Votes: 16 13.1%
  • Total voters
    122
I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's ruining the game. however football was doing fine without it, it hasn't eliminate controversy and I'd be happy if it were scrapped completely.

Worth remembering that Newcastle's goal yesterday would have been given without var too.

For what it worth, I think the ball was in, but it was a foul.

I do wonder if it would help if the rule were of any part of the ball crosses the line it's considered out? Just increase pitches by the diameter of the ball.

The current rule depends on linesmen being able to see the far side of the ball from where they have to stand. Wouldn't help much with goal line decisions, but maybe with side lines.
 
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The Card Cheat said:
But it isn't. That's just the lie propagated by the people who have a vested interest in it.

Every single weekend there is terrible decision after terrible decision.

It's a perfect example of something that wasn't broken being ruined.
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How many right decisions for every terrible decision made?
 
Frozen Horse said:
I do wonder if it would help if the rule were of any part of the ball crosses the line it's considered out? Just increase pitches by the diameter of the ball.
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I suppose you would need to change that for goals too, any part of the ball crosses its a goal?
 
VAR should be able to stop, timid homer refereeing and also corrupt refereeing. Big clubs got away with match fixing and corruption from the day dot.
Its the only way to stop it, sure they may be mistakes, I honestly think the last big hoo har Spurs Liverpool was corruption in plain sight.

A billion £ dept you have to service you dont say.
 
VAR is only ever going to be as good as the decisions taken around subjective incidents, such as fouls, especially in the box.

I'm surprised that rules that are a matter of fact, such as whether the ball crossed the line in the game yesterday, aren't covered by the technology. Tennis uses it.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
VAR is only ever going to be as good as the decisions taken around subjective incidents, such as fouls, especially in the box.

I'm surprised that rules that are a matter of fact, such as whether the ball crossed the line in the game yesterday, aren't covered by the technology. Tennis uses it.
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The only thing I can think of is you would need two separate systems, as line technology and goal would need to be separate
 
Having refs who have dodgy reputations on the field being the VAR judges is not working.
In this morning’s newspaper there are pictures from the Newcastle game showing the ball was out of play before it was retrieved, and Joelinton is pictured shoving his Arsenal opponent with both hands.
 
spanishman said:
If that had been what you had written, without the additional commentary is would have been fine. It it the extra commentary that skews it.

Those three simple bland sounding options, with an optional comments box (if it is allowed in the form) would have been fine.
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Do you think if I’d written ….

Dislike it
Like it
Don’t care

…it would have changed how people have voted? Personally, I very much doubt it would have changed the outcome of the vote at all.
 
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It's not perfect in other sports either, not by a long shot. But in the main other sports seem to take a bit more of a common sense approach to it and everyone understands the guidelines. If it's unclear whether the original decision was wrong or not it should stand. If the officials have to spend 5 mins minutely studying every possible angle it's not an obvious error.

I think there's a place for it, but not in its current format.
 
It has ruined the game. Getting a few decisions corrected is not worth it for the delays, confusion and ridiculousness of it all. Goals celebrated then wiped off. Goals not celebrated then given. Refs decisions being reviewed while the game is still ongoing. Grown men and women straining to resolve a pixel on a screen and taking minutes to do it. If it takes more than 30 seconds then stop p!ssing about and let decisions stand.
 
There isn't a need to review every goal, and certainly not for 3-4 minutes. You can't coach a defence to catch someone an inch offside, and most defenders (and fans) don't appeal for offside when they concede (they are hoping for an offside decision that they have no idea is even a realistic possibility). Cap reviews to 30 seconds (or 60 max) - if offsides are not clear and obvious without getting out your compass and ruler, then play on. And the panel should all be ex-footballers and one ref, between them they should get more decisions right.
 
spanishman said:
Perhaps some stats might inform your answer? Here are a couple of examples.

www.google.co.uk

How VAR decisions have affected every Premier League club in 2022-23

We're collating a league table of overturned VAR decisions in 2022-23. Who will benefit most over the course of the Premier League season?
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"VAR has been viewed as a broad success by many people within the world of soccer. To keep our focus on the UK, according to the Premier League website, the introduction of VAR in 2019/20 increased the percentage of correct key match decisions from 82% the previous season to 94%".

Taken from https://jobsinfootball.com/blog/does-var-improve-soccer/#:~:text=VAR has been viewed as,the previous season to 94%.
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That first link is just a catalogue of incidents and doesn't give any clue as to how accurate decisions were and how minor some of the infringements that went punished were.

To expand the quote from the second source:

"To keep our focus on the UK, according to the Premier League website, the introduction of VAR in 2019/20 increased the percentage of correct key match decisions from 82% the previous season to 94%. In its first season, VAR checked 2,400 incidents and overturned 109 decisions, averaging an overturned decision every 3.5 matches."

What does this mean in reality though?

What is a "correct key match decision"? As we saw last week, VAR isn't obliged to give the "correct" decision if the ref isn't deemed to have made an obvious mistake - even when the world and his dog can see that the decision is wrong. How many of the pre-VAR 18% incorrect would have actually been overturned under the current system?

There is a controversial VAR decision almost every week. There weren't that many refereeing howlers pre-VAR.
 
VAR is bound by the laws of the game, the laws of the game were not written for VAR. One demands certainly, the other allows for interpretation. They conflict.

The vast majority of world football is played without VAR, so changing the laws for it makes little sense. VAR needs a sub-set of laws in which it challenges the onfield interpretation, which should be done in isolation. If that decision matches the onfield decision then fine, if not, then the ref goes to the monitor.

All of this should be communicated live to fans, it's ridiculous that it isn't. If players surround the ref and swear, then instant yellows and a forced public apology to fans. It will soon stop.
 
I’ve always liked VAR but admit that officials in this country seem to be getting worse at running it. I think it’s good for the game especially when so much money is involved however I am completely and utterly of the incessant ******* and moaning surrounding VAR so I wouldn’t care less if they got rid.

I’d then laugh at everyone kicking off about bad referee errors when they’re trying to make decisions in real time. Or when a linesman gets an offside decision wrong.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I do wonder if it would help if the rule were of any part of the ball crosses the line it's considered out? Just increase pitches by the diameter of the ball.
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So change it from someone not being able to see if any part of the ball has passed the line to someone not being able to see if any part of the ball has touched the line?

Makes sense... :rolleyes:
 
ForssAwakens said:
How many right decisions for every terrible decision made?
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A very similar amount to the system we had in place for a hundred and fifty years. Proof of that is the league we've been in for years. The odd wrong decision, a few which are subjective, but undoubtedly much, much less controversy and unhappiness from fans, players and managers.
 
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