Shamima Begum

RandySavage said:
And you would be the first one moaning why the government allowed terrorists back into the country who then go on to commit atrocious acts.

But from recent posts of yours you are
A) a troll
B) revel in baiting people
C) or just a bit daft.
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Can't it be all 3?
 
Laughing said:
Regardless of why she ended up in Syria, she is a british citizen and should have been brought back to face justice here. I can't see any reasonable argument for any other course of action.
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Except, she isn’t a British Citizen is she? She was at one point, and she is not stateless according to international law. I would be disappointed if she were allowed back as it sends all the wrong messages to others who may follow suit in some future terrorist conflict. She is an adult, She was 15 when she left, she knew what she was doing. There is no place for terrorism or terrorists in Britain. I would even bring back the death penalty for proven terrorists.

At 15 you know the difference between right and wrong. I bet there are not many relatives of the Manchester bombings would want her let in.
 
Regardless of what she has done, the fact that the UK government has made someone stateless is a complete violation of human rights and sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of what she has done, the fact that the UK government has made someone stateless is a complete violation of human rights and sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
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If you do as she did then expect the same treatment long may it continue, terrorists Have no place in our lands
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of what she has done, the fact that the UK government has made someone stateless is a complete violation of human rights and sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
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She is not stateless though as she has Bangladeshi rights through parentage. Citizenship could not be removed otherwise.
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of what she has done she is still a British citizen though so should be heard and punished through a British Court.
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She has had citizenship revoked ffs why can you not understand that. My cousin was born in Germany, she is a UK citizen, She is not German. You do understand the concept of dual citizenship surely, if so, why can you not accept she has rights in Bangladesh? Perhaps it does not fit within your narrative, but reality sometimes is hard to see. The courts agree with me so far, lets see what happens down the line.
 
i take it your sister has never had a german passsport? she had/has a british passport, she has never even set foot in Bangladesh.
Bangladesh authorities have said shes not a bangladesh citizen.
she is sadly our responsibility and she should face british justice.
 
jam69 said:
i take it your sister has never had a german passsport? she had/has a british passport, she has never even set foot in Bangladesh.
Bangladesh authorities have said shes not a bangladesh citizen.
she is sadly our responsibility and she should face british justice.
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So you accept Bangladeshi account but not UK account on rights, why is that? Could the bangladeshi government be wrong?
 
jam69 said:
Bangladesh authorities have said shes not a bangladesh citizen.
she is sadly our responsibility and she should face british justice.
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They're lying, she's been a Bangladeshi citizen since birth by virtue of her parents being Bangladeshi citizens.
It's an automatic situation, you don't have to claim it.

But I agree that she should be our responsibility, and I think it's a morally cowardly path taken by the government.
 
shes never even set foot there, she holds a british passport, i think they hsv6e a strong case
 
It doesn't change their nationality laws.

Anyone born to a Bangladeshi citizen is also a Bangladeshi citizen.
The UK and Bangladesh both allow dual citizenship, so that's not an impediment either, it's not like she was born in Austria.

I believe that it lapses for dual citizens at 21 if not actively claimed, but she's no longer a dual citizen.

Edit: I've just read through the nationality laws in their constitution, the only way she might not have been a citizen is if her parents were themselves solely citizens by descent rather than birth, as they'd then have to actively register her birth at the High Commission to claim the citizenship.
But given her parents were born in Bangladesh, that doesn't apply.
 
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Coluka, courts may have revoked her citizenship, but that isn't the point folks are making I don't think.

We could equally revoke citizenship for rapists, murderers and peadophiles if they happen to have dual citizenship. That wouldn't make it the right thing to do.

She was born in britain, and we should have to deal with her. Washing our hands of the whole affair seems a bit.. I dunno, failing to live up to your responsabilities.

My opinion has nothing to do with whether I want her living in the UK, but the bigger issue of the UK revoking citizenship because someone commits a crime and we, as a society, don't want to deal with the criminal. That would be a very slippery path to take.
 
I understand your point laughing, whilst obviously disagreeing. International law allows countries to revoke citizenship. I fail to see how we are not living up to our responsibilities, our responsibilities are to the country its people not just Begum. There is a balance.

In my opinion, anyone who chooses to take the path of the terrorist immediately relinquishes all that we stand for. She chose her path, she is alleged to have sewn people into suicide belts that if any attempt to remove were made would explode anyway. Lovely Girl. Would you welcome her as your neighbour and all the indirect trouble that then creates, someone in Britain would have no choice if she is allowed back. She wont be in prison forever. Why should tax payers pay to house, feed a person who was helping to kill others?

I don’t agree with a lot the Tories have done but on this, I feel Sajid Javid and Mays Government needed to set an example to others that they can’t go around the world acting as a terrorist and expect to waltz back into Britain and pick up all the rights citizenship bestows. The country could forever be picking up the tab for the rest of her life. How would you feel if she was allowed back, served some time in Prison, was released, needing security, housing, and went on to plot a home grown terror plot killing others? I just feel it is a risk not worth taking. Hopefully it serves as a deterrent to others if she fails in her bid.
I respect your view nontheless.
 
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