Second hand EVs

Depreciation is the big unknown factor however if your buying one 4 or 5 years old a lot of the depreciation maybe already baked into the price. Might still be a good buy especially if you keep it for years and run it until it dies
 
Depreciation is the big unknown factor however if your buying one 4 or 5 years old a lot of the depreciation maybe already baked into the price. Might still be a good buy especially if you keep it for years and run it until it dies
Having a car for four or five years is just getting it bedded in as far as I'm concerned. Last two cars were both 10 yearers and both about 12 years old when I traded them in. Cannot understand why people p!ss money away on them.
 
As someone who owns and EV and will get one for my next car as well (all leases) I do admit I am not sure I would trust them when they say there is no drop in battery after x years/miles. My suspicion is that they will drop to a level that the people selling it will say is reasonable but that anyone driving it will see as a pain in the ****. I'd still be wary buying one until the end-user consensus agrees with the salesmen. When they say 70% after X miles I'm already thinking that across the industry you only get 70% of what they claim your range will be anyway so how much would I trust them?

My mobile phone is about 3 years old now and when I first got it I would get 2 days charge out of it and I now get about 12 hours. It's a top range phone though and recharges quickly so I can top it up easily. My previous phone the battery was the same size and I also got 2 days when I first got it and dropped to 12 hours after a few years but if I needed to top it up it was slow and would take too long to be reasonable.

I suspect the older gen EVs will have really low battery capacity, will discharge quicker than expected and then will be very slow to recharge as well.
 
My needs wouldnt really be the ceiling of what the battery can offer. It would be what the floor is, and how low the floor may fall quickly.

A fairly awful battery isn't necessarily an issue, as long as it doesn't quick deteriorate further and become useless.

Lots of unknowns still.
 
I've got a car that's on its way out and i'm looking at run arounds to take me approximately 40 miles a day to and from work.

I'm wondering what the shelf life of older EVs like Leafs and Zoes are and whether anyone has much experience of the 4+ year old EVs and costs to keep them running/ service and range capacities.

A petrol runaround is safe, a new/ higher range EV is unnecessary and way out of budget.
Probably the best 2nd hand option for an EV with much reduced risk on battery is something a year old or less with low mileage. There's big savings to be made, you're not suffering the same levels of depreciation vs new and the battery hasn't taken much of a hit. Obviously more expensive that 4+ year old.
 
I don't know about Nissan Leaf batteries specifically but Nissan EV batteries in general seem to be lasting a lot longer than they ever expected.




(Emphasis mine).

Nissan exec: “Almost all of the EV batteries we’ve made are still in cars”
Yes thats exactky what ive heard the batteriee are hokding up well. I used to have a leaf for my 15 mile commute and i really wish id not sold it. I was so shocked when i bought a petrol car again and was hit for 50 to 70 quid every week. A year of that saving would buy a second hand leaf. Madness not to do it in this situation if you have a few k in your bank.
 
Motorpoint has electric Mokka's@ £16000 for a 22 plate 7500 miles seems reasonable.
If it was possible to have a homecharger i might buy.
 
I was thinking a car doing lots of small journeys. The cheapest ones are now hitting below 8k. Generally if I get a car it's on the cheap side and I drive it until it's scrap so the actual value is fairly irrelevant.

More querying the potential for it to maintain a max range of 40-60 miles for the foreseeable future without the costs of paying out to keep it on the road.

Quite mixed opinions on batteries and longevity at the mo. Weighing up risk and reward. Current car may yet last 5 more years- just rattling a little more than i'd like :)
Your requirement is low (as would most peoples if they're being realistic), so you'll get a bargain, being able to play of others irrational fears, that could practically run for nothing in total cost of ownership, i.e depreciation + fuel costs etc.

If you buy a car which had a 100 mile WLTP range in 2020, then realistically it would have done maybe 90 miles in summer for average driving and 80 in winter, maybe even more as our winters are not harsh and it's getting milder. So, even based on 4 years old, you're at worst half way to 80% battery in winter, 90% in summer (more like 85-90% for 2020 onwards cars), so in another 6 years you're still going to be good for 65-70 mile range, even off a 100 mile WLTP car (which is low, for 2020). There will always be a market to sell onto also, as most peoples commutes are <20 miles or they don't go anywhere. As it will be by far the cheapest motoring, demand will always be high. It will be the cheapest as more and more wind power/ soler comes on line, and of course petrol and diesel will get taxed more and more.

Running costs will be extremely low, people have had EV's for 10 years and the discs and pads still had another 50% life left. The electric motor is a sealed system with no friction, it's probably one of the most reliable things which man as ever come up with, after the wheel. The good thing about EV's is there are only two main parts to it, the motor and the battery, and the life of both of those is known extremely well.

I think a lot of people forget that we've had batteries and electric motors for 200 years now, and lithium ion for 50 years. More is known about any of them now than has ever been known, and by a very long way. More people associate the invention of electric motors with Elon Musk of Tesla, rather than Nicola Tesla who the company was named after, who was knocking about in the 1800's. I've had my latest EV two years now, and the range has gone up, not down, which I can only assume is from software enhancements.

If they've tested, and guaranteed batteries to do 100,000 miles and still be 80-90%, then that's what it's going to do, as a minimum, if they didn't then the guarantee claims would bankrupt them, it's not going to happen. Typically a guarantee would be 50%-100% less time than they expect them to last.
 
Having a car for four or five years is just getting it bedded in as far as I'm concerned. Last two cars were both 10 yearers and both about 12 years old when I traded them in. Cannot understand why people p!ss money away on them.
I sold a Hyundai Tuscon 2ltr diesel that was 10 years old and it was the biggest mistake I have ever made. It ran brilliantly and could tow anything. We certainly could have got at least another four years driving out of it before things started to go wrong with it.

I checked the other week to see if it was still on the road and it is. I've had an Astra (4 years) and another Tuscon (1 year in June).
 
The only real issue with hybrids is that you get all of the potential issues of both EV and ICE cars as well as the benefits. They weigh more than an ICE car too so if you drive them aggressively, you will find the economy isn’t as good as expected.
Yeah, there's always pro's and cons with everything, but it's about the balance and volume I suppose.

Economy is worse with all cars if you drive them aggressively, to be fair. But the extra weight probably doesn't come into it so much as the main problem for a car once up to speed, is drag. As for handling, if they put the battery in the right place, and low to the ground then this can be beneficial for handling etc, less unwanted roll and it just becomes more efficient. I can thrash my EV around and the economy of it drops maybe 20%, but for an ice car that could be 50% easily, as every time you stomp the brakes you've ***ed energy away. They're all going to lose additional energy though, can't avoid that, as you're fighting the roll of the car, so it's going to get lost in the tyres also.

Hybrids work exceptionally well, especially PHEV's, if your commute can basically be done on EV miles alone, which most can. This is basically what our lass does, her car only has 30 miles EV/hybrid range, but 95% of her miles are from the grid. I don't see how there's much point in them for doing masses and masses of miles though, as in that case the EV just makes better sense (if you have a home charger).
 
Having a car for four or five years is just getting it bedded in as far as I'm concerned. Last two cars were both 10 yearers and both about 12 years old when I traded them in. Cannot understand why people p!ss money away on them.
Perception, it always perception

Social media world has enhanced that. Something to from a to b. I’m in 9th year on my 1l corsa. It was pre registered so got it for 7k when me and my wife both passed our test
 
Buying an EV is like buying a Betamax Video consul or a Blackberry phone.
Toyota have solid state battery with about a 700 mile range and around 15 minute charge time.
All other EV's pale into insignificance and their value will plummet.
 
Buying an EV is like buying a Betamax Video consul or a Blackberry phone.
Toyota have solid state battery with about a 700 mile range and around 15 minute charge time.
All other EV's pale into insignificance and their value will plummet.
No they don't. Might have in five years. Toyota hardly has a BEV presence yet. They will probably nail it though, after watching the mistakes of the early adopters.
 
the problem is that any research/data would be flawed as everyones battery use and car use is different... eg charging patterns etc. so I have no idea how they would generate an average

im sure the tech will get better regarding batteries in the future but anything electric now and older i would not touch second hand... think of it this way, most people have new phones every two-three years... very few by 2nd hand unless its been refurbished and you never see people buying 4 year old phones.

its the same tech.
Buying an EV is like buying a Betamax Video consul or a Blackberry phone.
Toyota have solid state battery with about a 700 mile range and around 15 minute charge time.
All other EV's pale into insignificance and their value will plummet.
There is so much nonsense around with batteries..............there really is not much room to make them any better at all due to the law of thermodnyamics

People seem to think some magical discovery is around the corner, all manufacturers do is make up the same crap like musk has for years to generate interest
and self promote, stories coming out all the tiem about battery discovery but they are basically the same as they were 20 years ago just bigger and bigger

So you still going to be stuck with the same problems now with range, either get a heavier car with a massive 1 tonne battery or a battery with a large initial range but with
poor cycling

If toyoto can manufacture a battery that runs on 700 miles for cycle after cycle i will show my **** in the vatican

 
There is so much nonsense around with batteries..............there really is not much room to make them any better at all due to the law of thermodnyamics

People seem to think some magical discovery is around the corner, all manufacturers do is make up the same crap like musk has for years to generate interest
and self promote, stories coming out all the tiem about battery discovery but they are basically the same as they were 20 years ago just bigger and bigger

So you still going to be stuck with the same problems now with range, either get a heavier car with a massive 1 tonne battery or a battery with a large initial range but with
poor cycling

If toyoto can manufacture a battery that runs on 700 miles for cycle after cycle i will show my **** in the vatican

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Yes they are. Worst of both worlds. All the pollution of a petrol car. And conplicated
All the pollution? There's a lot less coming out of the exhaust than an ICE car.
Not complicated at all, Toyota/Kia/Hyundai etc. have been doing them for the last 20 years. I think they've got it sorted by now and they will only get better.
 
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