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Cambsred

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I've got a car that's on its way out and i'm looking at run arounds to take me approximately 40 miles a day to and from work.

I'm wondering what the shelf life of older EVs like Leafs and Zoes are and whether anyone has much experience of the 4+ year old EVs and costs to keep them running/ service and range capacities.

A petrol runaround is safe, a new/ higher range EV is unnecessary and way out of budget.
 
I would stick with a petrol (and im saying that as a current EV Owner.)

EVs are great for lease (what im doing) but i would not dream of owning one, more so a second hand one. a 4 year old EV will be looking at a reasonable reduction in battery performance (based on most manufacturers giving a 10 year battery guarantee) meaning you could be looking at maybe a 25% reduction on range. (mine is 2 years old and i can already see a difference)

depending on how long you keep it you will be faced with either a huge bill for battery replacement or a complete collapse of your value at trade in/sell on.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
I would stick with a petrol (and im saying that as a current EV Owner.)

EVs are great for lease (what im doing) but i would not dream of owning one, more so a second hand one. a 4 year old EV will be looking at a reasonable reduction in battery performance (based on most manufacturers giving a 10 year battery guarantee) meaning you could be looking at maybe a 25% reduction on range. (mine is 2 years old and i can already see a difference)

depending on how long you keep it you will be faced with either a huge bill for battery replacement or a complete collapse of your value at trade in/sell on.
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Thanks, useful to know how its performing so far.

The premise would be that I would be only doing short journeys so i'd be prepared to take the hit on the battery degradation if the car upkeep costs were balanced with its gradual devaluing.

There feels like there is still an unknown lifespan of the batteries at present. Wonder if there is data on older cars and batteries needing replacing/ writing off older cars due to cost of replacing.
 
It would appear that older EV's will become unsellable after 6 or more years old. My Freelander 2 is coming up 10 years old has 45000 miles on the clock and still does 430 miles on a full tank. A good used version would be £8000n no contest which I would go for.
 
Cambsred said:
I've got a car that's on its way out and i'm looking at run arounds to take me approximately 40 miles a day to and from work.

I'm wondering what the shelf life of older EVs like Leafs and Zoes are and whether anyone has much experience of the 4+ year old EVs and costs to keep them running/ service and range capacities.

A petrol runaround is safe, a new/ higher range EV is unnecessary and way out of budget.
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Can you charge at work? If you can then a hybrid might be suitable. My previous car was a hybrid. It had a small electric range of about 25 miles but a full charge would get me to work, I'd then charge at work for free and that would get me home. Also gives you the flexibility of doing more when you need to as it just runs like a regular petrol car on longer journeys. I'd imagine they will hold value better than an old EV that will barely go anywhere.
 
Cambsred said:
Thanks, useful to know how its performing so far.

The premise would be that I would be only doing short journeys so i'd be prepared to take the hit on the battery degradation if the car upkeep costs were balanced with its gradual devaluing.

There feels like there is still an unknown lifespan of the batteries at present. Wonder if there is data on older cars and batteries needing replacing/ writing off older cars due to cost of replacing.
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the problem is that any research/data would be flawed as everyones battery use and car use is different... eg charging patterns etc. so I have no idea how they would generate an average

im sure the tech will get better regarding batteries in the future but anything electric now and older i would not touch second hand... think of it this way, most people have new phones every two-three years... very few by 2nd hand unless its been refurbished and you never see people buying 4 year old phones.

its the same tech.
 
Defender 4x4 said:
It would appear that older EV's will become unsellable after 6 or more years old.
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If that turns out to be true then the whole point of EVs is negated because the resources and CO2 emissions from replacing a vehicle after 6 years would be greater than the reductions from the vehicle being electric.
 
A Self charging hybrid is the way to go, you don’t have to plug the ‘uggers in, but around town in economy drive they are brilliant, doing most of it in electric mode.
 
Cambsred said:
I've got a car that's on its way out and i'm looking at run arounds to take me approximately 40 miles a day to and from work.

I'm wondering what the shelf life of older EVs like Leafs and Zoes are and whether anyone has much experience of the 4+ year old EVs and costs to keep them running/ service and range capacities.

A petrol runaround is safe, a new/ higher range EV is unnecessary and way out of budget.
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There's a big unknown in the motor industry about the shelf life of batteries, so probably wise to stay clear until there's a better understanding around it.
 
Cambsred said:
I've got a car that's on its way out and i'm looking at run arounds to take me approximately 40 miles a day to and from work.

I'm wondering what the shelf life of older EVs like Leafs and Zoes are and whether anyone has much experience of the 4+ year old EVs and costs to keep them running/ service and range capacities.

A petrol runaround is safe, a new/ higher range EV is unnecessary and way out of budget.
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I don't know about Nissan Leaf batteries specifically but Nissan EV batteries in general seem to be lasting a lot longer than they ever expected.

Well, as Nissan’s UK Marketing Director Nic Thomas recently told Forbes, “Almost all of the [EV] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars, and we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years.”
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"It’s the complete opposite of what people feared when we first launched EVs—that the batteries would only last a short time.” Many EV batteries may outlast their vehicles, then enjoy a second life in a stationary storage application before finally being recycled. “At the end of the vehicle’s life—15 or 20 years down the road—you take the battery out of the car, and it’s still healthy, with perhaps 60 or 70% of usable charge.”
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(Emphasis mine).

Nissan exec: “Almost all of the EV batteries we’ve made are still in cars”
 
Original leaves are terrible. The battery tech was poor and the batteries degraded badly. In fact, the standard anti EV lie about having to swap batteries after 3 years was probably spawned by them.
I would stear clear.

The zoe: I like it. Its a nice city car. Make sure you don't get a battery lease one though.
 
There was a comparison between petrol ,diesel and electric on you tube and the diesel won ,the projected depreciation on the electric was horrific.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
There's a big unknown in the motor industry about the shelf life of batteries, so probably wise to stay clear until there's a better understanding around it.
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There's plenty of data around about the lifespan of EV batteries.

Both from the real world experience of taxi and rental firms whose EV's have done the mileage equivalent of 20 years or more of use by a normal motorist and from laboratory tests to determine how many full discharge/recharge cycles it takes before the battery capacity gets down to a particular level.
 
Defender 4x4 said:
It would appear that older EV's will become unsellable after 6 or more years old. My Freelander 2 is coming up 10 years old has 45000 miles on the clock and still does 430 miles on a full tank. A good used version would be £8000n no contest which I would go for.
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No, this is a lie
 
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