Scathing attack on government Covid-19 response
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Cooper6711
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Well now you've said that it won't be long before someone comes along and says they have probably made that up so the mortality rate looks lower
Chappy112
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Proper sheep for anything to do with Tories you aren't you? Just blindly believe anything that they come out with. Why would I have to disprove something that is new? It's on the person coming up with the theory to prove that it works. Funny that none of the rest of the world are employing the same strategy, the data doesn't back it either.
It's blatantly obvious that this is an economic decision and not one about looking after people.
But you go ahead. I honestly don't know why I haven't muted you on here yet, you're as pointless as hopeless.
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Cooper6711
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Because you are the one questioning the opinion of someone who is the chief medical officer in this country. I am happy to put my judgement in that, I wouldn't be sat here bashing Labour if it was them doing it either. The proof will be in the pudding further down the line, not sure how you want him to prove it works without it happening yet.
If it turns out to be the correct way to battle the virus I'm sure you will be along to admit the approach was indeed correct
Chappy112
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Evidence that you can gain immunisation would be a start? There still is zero confirmation of that, an Italian Professor of Microbiology and Virology just 2 hours ago tweeted that we don't yet know if past infection provides immunisation. If we don't even know if it works then it's absolutely ludicrous to do it on a hope.
Not that it isn't crazy anyway because we are basically committing to losing hundreds of thousands of people all for the economy.
Lottowyn
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Why do people believe that our country is wrong because we are not panicking and taking things steadily ?
I think Boris is taking notice of the experts and proceeding correctly.
I saw Jon Ashworth the Labour Shadow Minister doing the rounds on TV today and thought that if anyone like him had authority in this crisis we would really be in the clart.
I think Boris is taking notice of the experts and proceeding correctly.
I saw Jon Ashworth the Labour Shadow Minister doing the rounds on TV today and thought that if anyone like him had authority in this crisis we would really be in the clart.
Adi_Dem
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It’s really, really simple. We are the only country approaching it in this way. The graphic above refers. The world has a different expert medical view. There are countless experts telling us that this is effectively a gamble with peoples lives.
That’s why.
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Cooper6711
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There also many experts saying they agree with the governments approach. You can literally find ones who agree and ones that don't.
Adi_Dem
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You literally can’t. You can find a handful that sort of agree in some ways. The greater majority though do not. World leaders do not. World health experts do not.
Chappy112
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Come on then, show us. Show us someone who has proven that you can gain immunisation through having the virus previously.
You can't can you? "But, but Mr Johnson said".
BobUpnDown
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when its not drugs ;-)
bear66
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The cruise liner off Japan had a three negatives rule before you could leave quarantine. The UK guy who videoed himself prior to getting the virus had two negatives then a positive. Was that re-infection? There was also a case in Hong Kong of a woman who was cleared then got the virus a second time.
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Cooper6711
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Never said anything about Mr Johnson not sure why you are. The chief medical officer I have said. As I say I do not have access to his information unfortunately. You could drop him a line and ask why he believes it would work. You will get a better answer than any of the medical experts on a football forum I believe
Chappy112
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So the people who agree with the governments approach? Where are those people? And why do they agree with the approach?
Just give us something!
Adi_Dem
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Jesus.
Lefty
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Even with a vaccine it sounds like this is extremely infectious so would need c95%
Here we see the same stupidity exhibited by brexiters.
You can always find people with an alternative opinion, even amongst experts. However when there is a vast majority of one opinion, not to go with that as a non expert means you are making a choice to believe what you want to be true. It's motivated reasoning not based on logic.
Here we see the same stupidity exhibited by brexiters.
You can always find people with an alternative opinion, even amongst experts. However when there is a vast majority of one opinion, not to go with that as a non expert means you are making a choice to believe what you want to be true. It's motivated reasoning not based on logic.
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Cooper6711
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Prof Deenan Pillay, professor of virology, University College London
The ways these measures are developed and issued will be balancing the urgency of trying to flatten the curve of the peak versus activities that are sustainable and realistic. The purpose of staying at home for seven days if you have a new continuous cough or a high temperature is to blunt the number of people contributing to ongoing transmission, and that is a very important step. It will help reduce deaths, but also reduce the number of people who are admitted to hospital and intensive care. From the situation in Italy, we can see that intensive care is one of the services that will soon become overwhelmed.
It’s very sensible to try to limit the chances of infection in those at high risk of needing intensive care. We can also see around the world that cruise ships are more likely to have older people, but also that the cruise ship environment is an ideal chance for infections to circulate widely.
Banning overseas school trips is a difficult one, but remember that any trips involve groups of people going to airports, going on boats and coaches, and living together, and since this virus is ubiquitous now, anything like that is likely to increase acquisition. We know that children are less likely to get severe disease from coronavirus, but they nevertheless are likely, if they do get infection, to spread it to others. It’s a sensible measure before closing the schools.
Many organisations and businesses are already implementing working from home and reducing meetings. I’m surprised there’s not an emphasis on that, it would be good for government policy to reflect it.
I’m very pleased there isn’t the sort of reaction we’ve seen in the US to close borders. This infection is now circulating in the UK and it’s important that, wherever those infections come from, there’s an understanding that we’re responsible for dealing with all of them and avoid the xenophobia that has emerged and that would be perpetuated by an insular approach.
There's one. Don't want post to be too long so there you go
