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According to Sky news gun violence is escalating…

Gun crime rises in UK in last year with more than 9,700 cases reported
The three greatest variables for crime increase are a) the amount of poverty and b) police funding, c) social service funding.

Guess which party has spent a decade setting policies that change all three of these key variables to drive an increase in crime...
 
Are you sure ?

Yes, from 16-20 it decreased year on year when Khan became Mayor. I know that goes against the rhetoric but hey. Yes it's gone up again during the last 12 months which has a huge different factor in covid.

 
It’s not really rhetoric, I live in London and it is a lot worse than it used to be and seems to be getting worse.

there is a clear rhetoric against Khan, it's been non-stop, some of it just plain racism, some of it due to him being labour. But the facts don't support the constant jibes at him. It's a complex scenario, he only has influence on various factors and the stats are up and down for him as they were for Johnson. It isn't a straight line all crime up every year for him and down for Johnson, in fact, far from it.

What is clear is that crime increases when you get more poor people, reductions in social service funding and reduction in police funding. All that occurred at a national level during Tory austerity. It's happened under Tories in the past too e.g. Thatcher
 
Years ago I lived at a place being developed and marketed as a green and pleasant land- Thamesmead.Despite having a massive concrete block of council flats - famed for being used in A Clockwork Orange- initially it was ok - though a little away from the sales talk. Gradually it went downhill. Housing Associations bought up loads of property and they let out homes to people being rehoused from a place called Kidbroke( or Kidbrook!). The area dived, crime rose and frankly anyone decent wanted to get out.All double decker buses were replaced by single decos to try and stop widespread dealing of drugs. So the dream place became a nightmare. Drugs led to increased crime and the spiral continued.
That was my experience of London. Greenwich in those days was light years away
 
Christ you live in Greenwich and you're worried about gun crime. :LOL:

Crime in London has gone down since the noughties. There's plenty of data on it if you want to look.

It has nothing to do with which mayor is in charge. They really don't have any impact on crime and policing in London. Pretty infantile.
 
there is a clear rhetoric against Khan, it's been non-stop, some of it just plain racism, some of it due to him being labour. But the facts don't support the constant jibes at him. It's a complex scenario, he only has influence on various factors and the stats are up and down for him as they were for Johnson. It isn't a straight line all crime up every year for him and down for Johnson, in fact, far from it.

What is clear is that crime increases when you get more poor people, reductions in social service funding and reduction in police funding. All that occurred at a national level during Tory austerity. It's happened under Tories in the past too e.g. Thatcher
I have been in London twenty plus years, I’d have to check but I think it was around 2010 - there was a spate of stabbings and when I say spate there was about one teenager killed per month. It was shocking at the time and at the top of the news.fast forward a decade and now there is about one a week and it’s the norm no one really bats an eyelid it’s just accepted that that’s the way things are.That’s just one example but there are many more- you can’t argue that this sort of crime hasn’t increased. I don’t particularly care who was the mayor at the time I don’t believe that the mayor can control this on his/her own anyway.
 
I have been in London twenty plus years, I’d have to check but I think it was around 2010 - there was a spate of stabbings and when I say spate there was about one teenager killed per month. It was shocking at the time and at the top of the news.fast forward a decade and now there is about one a week and it’s the norm no one really bats an eyelid it’s just accepted that that’s the way things are.That’s just one example but there are many more- you can’t argue that this sort of crime hasn’t increased. I don’t particularly care who was the mayor at the time I don’t believe that the mayor can control this on his/her own anyway.
Like I said above austerity increases crime. It's a national disease, not just London.
 
Christ you live in Greenwich and you're worried about gun crime. :LOL:

Crime in London has gone down since the noughties. There's plenty of data on it if you want to look.

It has nothing to do with which mayor is in charge. They really don't have any impact on crime and policing in London. Pretty infantile.
Christ you live in Greenwich and you're worried about gun crime. :LOL:

Crime in London has gone down since the noughties. There's plenty of data on it if you want to look.

It has nothing to do with which mayor is in charge. They really don't have any impact on crime and policing in London. Pretty infantile.
I’m not worried about gun crime - but I don’t believe it has gone down.

crime statistics may show that crime has gone down since the noughties but statistics are simply that - my take on it is that london is a much more dangerous place than it was since the noughties.
 
"statistics are simply that"

What? reality? If you choose to ignore what is actually happening I'd imagine London may seem more dangerous.
Statistics can and are used to prove many arguments either way. All I’m saying is there are no statistics that you can drum up that would convince me that dangerous crime in London has reduced since the noughties. How those statistics are collected and defined may well have changed but for sure crime is on the increase.
 
Statistics can and are used to prove many arguments either way. All I’m saying is there are no statistics that you can drum up that would convince me that dangerous crime in London has reduced since the noughties. How those statistics are collected and defined may well have changed but for sure crime is on the increase.
As of 31 December 2018, there have been 132 homicides reported in London in 2018.[26] The year 2019 was reportedly London's bloodiest year since more than a decade, which recorded a 11-year high of 143 people being killed.[27][28] As of 31 December 2019, the number of homicides reported reached 149, the highest in a decade.[29]
 
Crime statistics can be and are manipulated to suit any argument. Gun crime is not just categorised as that, but gun crime with robbery, gun crime with murder, gun crime with attempted murder etc.

I lived and worked in London from 2001 - 2010, and certainly felt a lot less safe by the time I left than when I first moved there.
 
I couldn't think of a worse place to bring up a family unfortunately most of these people don't have a choice in where they live . I can see it getting worse down there gangs and organised crime have a massive foothold and police don't have the resources to deal with it. More investment in youth projects and opportunities for the poorest kids to make something of their lives are needed basically reverse the tory policy cuts. If kids don't have any hope of a positive future then criminalty will always prevail.
 
Statistics can and are used to prove many arguments either way. All I’m saying is there are no statistics that you can drum up that would convince me that dangerous crime in London has reduced since the noughties. How those statistics are collected and defined may well have changed but for sure crime is on the increase.
No they can't. If there are twenty murders one year and ten murders the next then there have been fewer murders. It's simple bald facts. A dead person is a dead person. But like you say if you're determined to believe the earth is flat then that's you're call.
 
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