Ryan Giles

Boro.Fur said:
Conversely, if he doesn't shoot it down I think we can expect it to happen.

It concerns me as I think it's a move borne out of sentiment.
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That’s exactly what it is. Gaps to plug in midfield and on the wings and here we are chasing our fourth left-back. Mental.

Call me skeptical, but how would a Hull journalist know Boro transfer targets? I’m thinking it’s purely because there’s been interest in the past.
 
Disclaimer - this is hypothetical. I have had a terrible run of sleepless nights causing me to not always think things through...

Given our left backs this year have had precious little defensive assistance from the player in front of them, leaving them exposed, could he do a job in front of one of them? He is more defensively minded than McGree or Burgzorg and his delivery from wide is his greatest strength. I realise this is a stupid idea, but he feels like one of those players who is a full back because he has always played there, but his attributes don't seem that suited to playing there.

Alternative we get a proven left sided player with bundles of energy and a strong work ethic to do both attacking and a defensive shift.
 
sparkins said:
Disclaimer - this is hypothetical. I have had a terrible run of sleepless nights causing me to not always think things through...

Given our left backs this year have had precious little defensive assistance from the player in front of them, leaving them exposed, could he do a job in front of one of them? He is more defensively minded than McGree or Burgzorg and his delivery from wide is his greatest strength. I realise this is a stupid idea, but he feels like one of those players who is a full back because he has always played there, but his attributes don't seem that suited to playing there.

Alternative we get a proven left sided player with bundles of energy and a strong work ethic to do both attacking and a defensive shift.
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You beat me to it there as I was just going to suggest the same.

I may be wrong but when he was on loan at Blackburn the season before us, didn't he play in a more advanced position and Wilder moved him back to wing back when he came here? So it may be that he's fallen into a full back role by accident.

We know he is far better on the front foot than as an out and out defender so there could be some sense in it.
 
Teesste said:
You beat me to it there as I was just going to suggest the same.

I may be wrong but when he was on loan at Blackburn the season before us, didn't he play in a more advanced position and Wilder moved him back to wing back when he came here? So it may be that he's fallen into a full back role by accident.

We know he is far better on the front foot than as an out and out defender so there could be some sense in it.
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Giles linked up better with Mcgree as well
 
We've tried 3 LB and with each one, we still get drawn back to Giles that tells you something.

Is he the best LB in the league - No
Would he be the best LB at the club - Yes

You'd have to think we'd be looking to let 2 from Bangura/Engel/Borges leave, what with us having the young McCormick here too...
 
It's worth signing him so we don't have to go through this polarver every transfer window😂

This site will be awash with ' I told you so ' if he's no better than we have. I am very much in the camp of he's not the Giles that he was . Also won't remotely improve us defensively. He may get a few assists. Yet crosses will continue to fly into our box unchallenged.

That said we are crying out for a CM who can tackle as much as defenders.
 
I think there isn't any long term faith in Engel, hence Borges being brought in before the summer transfer window closed, and unfortunately I think Bangura is going to be a coin flip as to whether he has a long term future with us as he's been out so long. I hope I'm wrong on that. So it makes sense that Carrick might be pushing for someone who he knows, did well under him previously and he can trust. With 20 games to go and a hopefully knock down deal, it's worth a gamble.

My stand out moment with Borges and Engel that might have forced the thinking at the club both came in the Sheff Wed match:

Borges conceding a corner when we were 3-0 up, under no real pressure, from which Sheff Wed should have scored. That for me was just the sniff they needed and I said at the time, we still have a lot of football to play before we can be so casual...

Engel in the dying minutes of the Sheff Wed game, tight at 3-3, he broke free on the left running onto a ball looking to cross into the box. He half volleyed it into the stand, didn't even reach the near post before it went out. Absolute Sunday leagues stuff. I like him, but he just doesn't do himself any favours.
 
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Even if there wasn't a plethora of other issues why we shouldn't sign Giles, which there is, we simply don't play the same way tactically anymore.

In Giles' first spell he had Chuba as a 10 attacking the box late.
Azaz as our 10 plays it more as a conventional 10 that dictates play, plays slide rule passes, gets shots off etc.

Engel, for all his many many flaws, has on occasion put some good balls in from the left, and there has been no-one there.
 
uncle_rico said:
Giles was integral to the way we played when Carrick first got here. He's had a poor couple of years at Luton and now Hull, but I'd still much rather have him over Engel or Borges, especially if he can get his form back.
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Giles strikes me as a confidence player and the last couple of years being bounced around clubs and often out of the team as managers haven't fancied him will have taken it's toll.

From the bits and pieces I've seen of him on TV he looks low on confidence and he's not going to give his best. If you can get him confident, and playing consistently would help with that, I think he's a very good player and would be worth signing (at some point) if the costs of transfer fee and wages aren't too high.

I also think his defensive weaknesses are overstated, he definitely improved defensively over his time with us and as others have said is he really any worse defensively than the options we have available at the moment?

However, the bigger question for me is how much of a priority is signing another left back this window? It's fairly low down on my list at the moment, a strong/physically imposing centre midfielder, right winger (given Forss' ongoing fitness struggles), goalkeeper and up front are all more pressing areas.
 
He has demonstrated over the last 2 seasons that he is not good enough. Luton and now Hull fans cant wait to see the back of him. People expecting him to have the same impact when he is coming into a poorer team and out of form are too optimistic. We have more worrying priorities
 
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