Roadmap may be affected - Indian variant

any evidence of that assertion? I notice you completely ignore my point on the India variant, whose fault is that?
Im not saying none of this is the governments fault, infact probably 90% of it is. But you cant take blame away from the public too. If people are breaking the rules to the extent I mentioned, its obvious that it will spread, how can it not when transmission is so high
 
Im not saying none of this is the governments fault, infact probably 90% of it is. But you cant take blame away from the public too. If people are breaking the rules to the extent I mentioned, its obvious that it will spread, how can it not when transmission is so high
The problem with blaming the 68m public is that its basically wasted energy. You might as well blame God, and shake your fist at the Sky. Its governments' remit to get the public to comply as best they can. You can't hold 68m accountable for something, it just doesn't work because everybody is only a tiny fraction of the 'problem'.
 
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Im not saying none of this is the governments fault, infact probably 90% of it is. But you cant take blame away from the public too. If people are breaking the rules to the extent I mentioned, its obvious that it will spread, how can it not when transmission is so high
So no evidence then jm. Let me share some evidence. Over 85%of infection vectors are hospitals, care homes and schools. Another 10% can be attributed to other business. If doesn't leave a lot of infections happening in someone's bbq does it.

There is no evidence that those who were a little lacks with the rules increased infections.

Again lockdown would not be as effective if people breaking the rules was a significant factor. It's effective because people do largely follow the guidance. Those that do not have almost no effective on the infection rate.

That's what the evidence suggests.

I know people breaking the rules is annoying. It's not why people died though.
 
The problem with blaming the 68m public is that its basically wasted energy. You might as well blame God, and shake your first at the Sky. Its governments' remit to get the public to comply as best they can. You can't hold 68m accountable for something, it just doesn't work because everybody is only a tiny fraction of the 'problem'.
Atypical whilst I agree with your post the evidence says it's not social gatherings and individuals that cause spikes it's state sanctioned activities.
 
Atypical whilst I agree with your post the evidence says it's not social gatherings and individuals that cause spikes it's state sanctioned activities.
Fine, well blame the government. You can at least vote them out. Getting angry with Bob down the street because he had his daughter in the house a week before the 17th is futile.
 
So no evidence then jm. Let me share some evidence. Over 85%of infection vectors are hospitals, care homes and schools. Another 10% can be attributed to other business. If doesn't leave a lot of infections happening in someone's bbq does it.

There is no evidence that those who were a little lacks with the rules increased infections.

Again lockdown would not be as effective if people breaking the rules was a significant factor. It's effective because people do largely follow the guidance. Those that do not have almost no effective on the infection rate.

That's what the evidence suggests.

I know people breaking the rules is annoying. It's not why people died though.

How can I provide evidence for that? Its not like people are signing into peoples houses with the track and trace app. Again im not saying that this is the only reason for infections, the extent of the damage its caused isnt known but admittedly its not going to be a huge % of infections. Point is though some people are still living life like they were pre covid, you cant take take away all blame from the public for this.

We will all know cases where small outbreaks have been caused through people being careless or just completely stupid, people have to take accountability too
 
Atypical whilst I agree with your post the evidence says it's not social gatherings and individuals that cause spikes it's state sanctioned activities.
Sanctioned activities where everyone is required to use the track and trace app, over gatherings that are completely informal with no record in case of an outbreak. Not really possible to compare the two
 
We will all know cases where small outbreaks have been caused through people being careless or just completely stupid, people have to take accountability too
Which people though and what do you want them to do? I know that my 19 year old niece went to a small (she says) house gathering during lockdown 3, I knew nothing of it until afterwards and told her she shouldn't have done it. But now what should I do, call the police? What should she do - turn herself in? We don't even know if anything was transmitted as they all had the virus when they started university anyway and thought they were immune. I mean I could refuse to speak to her for the rest of her life as punishment but not sure exactly what that would achieve. So 'accountability' on the public's behalf just seems irrelevant.
 
Sanctioned activities where everyone is required to use the track and trace app, over gatherings that are completely informal with no record in case of an outbreak. Not really possible to compare the two
Well it is JM. We know where some infections are happening. What's left can be attributed to everything else. That is people following the legislation and still becoming infected as well as those ignoring the legislation. We know that these activities are responsible for less than 3% of infections.

How many shops do you know that implement and enforce track and trace? None I suspect, because the only place it is enforced is pubs and restaraunts.

This is not cause by a few people ignoring the rules, as annoying as that is.
 
So you have a knowledge of how they are dealing with the pandemic because it suits your argument and to ignore other countries because they don’t. Interesting
I think he already told you why he commented on Australia and not the other countries mentioned. It gives party of the picture which is better than none. What are you driving at St?
 
I think he already told you why he commented on Australia and not the other countries mentioned. It gives party of the picture which is better than none. What are you driving at St?
I just find it interesting that he ignores 2 thirds of the countries I mentioned because they don't suit his argument.
 
I just find it interesting that he ignores 2 thirds of the countries I mentioned because they don't suit his argument.
He hasn't though, he gave some information about Australia that he does know something about and chose not to comment on countries he knows nothing about. That would seem sensible, yet you assume it means he has an agenda.
 
TBH Smalltown mate, if it helps you to get angry about the behaviour of 68m different individual people that's up to you. Personally, I don't see the benefit in that but its up to you and I'm certainly not going to spend much time trying to talk you out of it.
 
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