Rishi Sunak

If anyone has a 'playbook' that shows us how to recover economically from a lockdown that had already put thousands out of work and could end up costing millions their job feel free to share.

If we have to go back into a second lockdown because we came out of it too soon then all this money spent on cheap meal deals to kickstart the restaurant sector will have been for nothing. Thats the danger. Great if we don’t but we are not like other countries where figures are very low. The existing fear in this country on going out to eat relates to how safe we feel.
 
I've been very impressed with Rishi throughout this whole situation.

It's not a pleasant time at all to be a politician (to be fair, when is it a pleasant time :LOL:) but I think he's handling it as best as anyone could.

He may not keep everyone happy - but that is impossible.

Definitely a PM in the making(y)

For a guy that bought his seat at least he seems to have a little bit about him.
Sticky seat to follow - William Hague.

Tbh the most he's done is throw a load of money around but at least able to present it well unlike his bumbling baffoon of a boss.
 
If we have to go back into a second lockdown because we came out of it too soon then all this money spent on cheap meal deals to kickstart the restaurant sector will have been for nothing. Thats the danger. Great if we don’t but we are not like other countries where figures are very low. The existing fear in this country on going out to eat relates to how safe we feel.
The country won't go into a full lockdown again. We simply cannot afford it.
France has already said it won't happen again for example.
 
If anyone has a 'playbook' that shows us how to recover economically from a lockdown that had already put thousands out of work and could end up costing millions their job feel free to share.

There's 40 hospitals they could crack on with building, maybe fix our crumbling roads and upgrade victorian rail network while usage was low.
 
If people don't want to return to restaurants and pubs then some will disappear. Those that people feel safe to return to will survive but customer demands may change.

Addressing the frills whilst letting the essential side of the economy fail isn't always the best way forward.

If you have a look around the area (and country) there's a lot of work to be done that would create millions of jobs. I'd sooner see the wastelands cleared up, new house, hospital and school building works commence, refreshing an out of date transport infrastructure, address food industry problems.

If they kick started it the hospitality sector would be able to look after itself.

They're just looking at headlines for now, not a good way to go.
As I've said before the well ran venues will survive. Those with long term plans and goals. The poorly ran ones with short term outlooks will struggle as will the big chains who saturate the market (Frankie and Benny's for example).

Agree with you with regards to schools and hospitals. Not so much with housing as again they will be unaffordable to many unless we are talking about council housing in which case 'green' economical council houses been built is a necessity.
 
There's 40 hospitals they could crack on with building, maybe fix our crumbling roads and upgrade victorian rail network while usage was low.
Or start on HS 29- the high speed trans-pennine link to the NE or HS46 - the high speed link from London to the NE.
 
Or start on HS 29- the high speed trans-pennine link to the NE or HS46 - the high speed link from London to the NE.
Is there really any need for a high-speed link to London? I believe they should concentrate on moving work out of London. Devolving to the provinces. (I know it's wishful thinking, but I can never forget how Thatcher's policies forced me to London in 1980).
 
Is there really any need for a high-speed link to London? I believe they should concentrate on moving work out of London. Devolving to the provinces. (I know it's wishful thinking, but I can never forget how Thatcher's policies forced me to London in 1980).
Trains are pointless now aren't they if the office environment is moving to people's homes instead?
 
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Is there really any need for a high-speed link to London? I believe they should concentrate on moving work out of London. Devolving to the provinces. (I know it's wishful thinking, but I can never forget how Thatcher's policies forced me to London in 1980).
Same argument for HS2. But the better links to London, the more likely Northern relocations will take place.
 
The country won't go into a full lockdown again. We simply cannot afford it.
France has already said it won't happen again for example.
I don’t think we would lockdown again either maybe some localised areas if necessary.
The population is experienced now in isolating themselves as necessary, social distancing, wearing masks and knowing the crowded indoor situations to avoid. Some of the things which went on in the run up to the lockdown seem ridiculous now. Things have moved on a lot.
 
Is there really any need for a high-speed link to London? I believe they should concentrate on moving work out of London. Devolving to the provinces. (I know it's wishful thinking, but I can never forget how Thatcher's policies forced me to London in 1980).
Personally I think the world has changed for the future. Train travel into major cities Will be way down and I expect the HS2 link to be dropped indefinitely. We cant afford to spend that kind of money on infrastructure whilst there are other priorities now and indeed for what value they will bring.
 
We know we will start small and as more people become confident and cases of the virus dwindle more people will come back.
Well that's the happy path you describe, but looking at the US and what happened when they started to reopen states, the happy path looks less likely. We haven't got our numbers down to the same levels as Germany, France etc. and we haven't got a digitalised Track n Trace system, so we are susceptible to regression in the fight against covid.
 
Well that's the happy path you describe, but looking at the US and what happened when they started to reopen states, the happy path looks less likely. We haven't got our numbers down to the same levels as Germany, France etc. and we haven't got a digitalised Track n Trace system, so we are susceptible to regression in the fight against covid.
It's not a happy path it's a realistic path thought out with caution.
For the record, we were just under even on takings on Saturday, broke even Sunday, about £50 short on Monday, profit Tuesday which covered Saturday and Monday's shortfalls and broke even again yesterday. Likened it to a quiet week in January.

You cannot compare to United States. There is so much mismatching of protocols etc between states that they basically reopened at the top of the peak as a full country.
I'm inclined to look at countries closer to home who have managed with localised lockdowns or haven't had issues like Germany, Austria, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Japan, South Korea, Cyprus, Gibraltar, Portugal, Canary Islands as the ones to follow and mirror.
 
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Nice quote from someone describing it as "it's like a Tic Tac in a wheelie bin".
But we know he cares for us 'Plebeians' the way that a man who allegedly owns 12 houses, probably more than likely registered with a holding company in an exotic location, bought with the proceeds of the fortune he made from 2008 crash.
Does the rest of the money live in the UK where he can pay the required amount of tax?
There will be a second wave, if we get out of this one, plus a probable no deal Brexit. Then this bag of shoite just disappears. Like the great philosopher, James Marshall Hendrix once observed.
"And so castles made of sand,fall in the sea, eventually"
 
The country won't go into a full lockdown again. We simply cannot afford it.
France has already said it won't happen again for example.
Agreed, there is unlikely to be a country wide government mandated lockdown.....however, it is very likely that a second wave will see people voluntarily lockdown out of fear. This will devastate certain businesses. If the second wave is looking as bad or worse than the original one, then 80%+ could cut out all unnecessary contact
 
Well that's the happy path you describe, but looking at the US and what happened when they started to reopen states, the happy path looks less likely. We haven't got our numbers down to the same levels as Germany, France etc. and we haven't got a digitalised Track n Trace system, so we are susceptible to regression in the fight against covid.
Those States never closed down, so it's not a fair comparison. In New York, where we were completely closed down and have re-opened very carefully and not yet fully, it seems to be working well.
 
It's not a happy path it's a realistic path thought out with caution.
A 'happy path' is a term that defines where everything goes as planned, where the plan or strategy goes smoothly. That is what you described, a steady slow increase in numbers, allowing us to return close to normal.

Now, if that happens, great, we've beaten this. However, there is an alternative, and a realistic one based on past killer viruses. That second waves stop your happy path, in its ermmmm path. To ignore that possible outcome, is to blindly ignore the risks, it's the reality of where we are right now.
 
Those States never closed down, so it's not a fair comparison. In New York, where we were completely closed down and have re-opened very carefully and not yet fully, it seems to be working well.
New York State currently has fatality numbers that are twice the whole of France. It's a massive improvement, from where they were. As you say, it hasn't 'fully reopened', and that has an economic impact. If it were to reopen, the virus will rage again.
 
New York State currently has fatality numbers that are twice the whole of France. It's a massive improvement, from where they were. As you say, it hasn't 'fully reopened', and that has an economic impact. If it were to reopen, the virus will rage again.
Too slow to close it down and there's a particular dynamic to New York City that makes it very difficult to contain. I haven't been into the City since the beginning of March and here, on Long Island, we can now do most things, all with the appropriate precautions.
 
A 'happy path' is a term that defines where everything goes as planned, where the plan or strategy goes smoothly. That is what you described, a steady slow increase in numbers, allowing us to return close to normal.

Now, if that happens, great, we've beaten this. However, there is an alternative, and a realistic one based on past killer viruses. That second waves stop your happy path, in its ermmmm path. To ignore that possible outcome, is to blindly ignore the risks, it's the reality of where we are right now.

But we are told it's a novel virus that hasn't been seen before so you can't compare it to other viruses. 🤨
 
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