Revealed: the millionaires hoarding UK fishing rights

Same_as_before said:
To be fair it was just one of those shows that was on. I was very surprised by the size of the Newcastle level of fish exports.
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Me too if you heard it right.

Tell me, do you think the Newcastle fishing industry will be impacted by brexit?
 
Lefty said:
Lottowyn, some questions occur to me which I think are pertinent. I was hoping you might know the answer?

One of the issues around fishing, that Brexiters have and I’d agree they have a point with, is that British fishermen seem to have less control nor indeed access to the U.K.’s own sovereign waters and the catch therein.

1. Do you know how the quota was divided between all the countries originally? Our waters presumably went into a pot for the EU as a whole and then we were given back a lesser proportion of it as part of the wider deal and other economic benefits of joining the EEC/EU, which included, for the fishing industry unfettered access to the EU markets that took most of the catch from our waters.

2. How was this U.K. quota originally allocated and who to?

3. How much did U.K. successful quota recipients pay for their quota, if anything?

4. How did this compare to the way other EU countries allocated their quota?

5. How much did the French pay for the U.K. quota they have acquired?

6. Is this now being stripped off them? Are they receiving sufficient compensation?

7. Does the U.K. effectively have to buy back their quota, which was part of the Withdrawal agreement divorce bill?

8. How is our new quota going to be divvied up among our fishing fleet this time?

9. How much will it cost?

10. Once acquired, can the quota be sold by our fishermen?

11. Will U.K. fishermen acquiring the quota be free to sell it once again to EU fishermen?
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I can explain some of the original apparent imbalance. Quotas were based on historical catches; through a mixture of administrative indifference and short term disincentives, it appears that the UK catch was significantly underrecorded. Other countries, in anticipation of the introduction of the CFP, may have overdeclared. Although the CFP has played a part, it's just another factor in a long history of fisheries mismanagement. Here's a good article from Greenpeace
 
JackG said:
I can explain some of the original apparent imbalance. Quotas were based on historical catches; through a mixture of administrative indifference and short term disincentives, it appears that the UK catch was significantly underrecorded. Other countries, in anticipation of the introduction of the CFP, may have overdeclared. Although the CFP has played a part, it's just another factor in a long history of fisheries mismanagement. Here's a good article from Greenpeace
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Very interesting Jack- mismanagement throughout.
The article doesn't say whether UK fishermen were/would be allowed to fish in EU coastal waters.
 
Global fishing was worth $240 Billion 3 years ago and is growing at 6% pa.
We want a much bigger share of this in future and it is meaningless to quote figures which are based on giving our rights all away to the EU.
 
Is tax avoidance, rich, influential owners, links to organized crime etc also why France don’t want to give up their current quotas?
 
bear66 said:
It's ten times less than that. 0.001 of GDP.
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Most official stats reckon fishing is worth between 0.1% and 0.15% of the UK GDP.

There is a big political iceberg here though. The fishing industry resented the UK entry into the EU common fishing policy. In Scotland the SNP made big gains in the NE on the strength of UK government's betrayal (as they saw it).

Now the Tories have a chance to reclaim British fishing rights from the EU CFP. That gives them a card to play to against the SNP's pro EU stance. With support for the SNP growing fast pretty much everywhere else, the UK government desperately needs to head off the rush to independence and the fishing business offers a chance to do that.

That's at least in part why it's so important. No deal or high tariffs will cripple the fishing industry and virtually condemn the Conservative and Unionist Party to be known as the party that broke the union.
 
Same_as_before said:
I doubt it, after all as people keep pointing out it is only 0.01 if GDP.
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The question I asked was how much impact you thought brexit would have on the Newcastle Fishing industry, given your interest in the recent documentary on it?

it’s irrelevant to those connected to the fish market that they are negligible to the GDP of the U.K., surely, so just because of that they will feel no impact?
 
Lottowyn said:
Global fishing was worth $240 Billion 3 years ago and is growing at 6% pa.
We want a much bigger share of this in future and it is meaningless to quote figures which are based on giving our rights all away to the EU.
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Did you see my earlier questions?
 
Lefty said:
The question I asked was how much impact you thought brexit would have on the Newcastle Fishing industry, given your interest in the recent documentary on it?

it’s irrelevant to those connected to the fish market that they are negligible to the GDP of the U.K., surely, so just because of that they will feel no impact?
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This is where you and I differ. To me they will still be selling fish to the EU, so the effect will be minimal
You seem to think all trade will cease. An odd position .
 
Same_as_before said:
This is where you and I differ. To me they will still be selling fish to the EU, so the effect will be minimal
You seem to think all trade will cease. An odd position .
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You seem to think I seem to think all trade will cease, though I have said nothing of the sort, anywhere, ever.

My simple question was whether you think they will be affected by Brexit. I asked it because you had watched the report so might have gained some insight. It wasn’t a trick. I didn’t even stipulate whether the effect would be positively or negatively. The answers you have chosen to give was first an answer to a different question and then a, well, I think it is something like a cross between a straw man and an ad hominem.

Why is that, I wonder?

But to engage with your point, is only the complete cessation of trade the measure you will use to determine if Brexit is a stupid decision? Not reduction? Not more costly? Not unnecessarily more of a bureaucratic ball ache?
 
I don't think it was a stupid decision.

Changing the agenda, we have a legal system going back to Magna Carter, we even have a Supreme Court, why do we need an extra level.

It seems that one of the problems in getting an agreement is that our agriculture standards are above the EC, I want them to stay like that.

Trade will continue as its to the EC benefit.
 
Same_as_before said:
I don't think it was a stupid decision.

Changing the agenda, we have a legal system going back to Magna Carter, we even have a Supreme Court, why do we need an extra level.

It seems that one of the problems in getting an agreement is that our agriculture standards are above the EC, I want them to stay like that.

Trade will continue as its to the EC benefit.
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Brother of Raich Carter?
 
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