Revealed: the millionaires hoarding UK fishing rights

[WoodallServices]

That's as much to do with a lack of education in schools as much as anything else.

It's absolutely tragic that basic skills that adults need to survive in the big wide world are not taught more in schools.

Of course Cod is going to be one the most popular fish dishes in this country when school leavers lack basic cooking knowledge and are quite content to visit a maccy D's or a chippy or live off cheap and cheerful one step meals out of the supermarket.

Supply and demand. Cod is a boring fish to cook with at the best of times, try some Turbot (expensive yes) or black bream. Heck even seabass is a great alternative to cod and takes minutes to cook.

I've found this link an inspiration in the past when looking for recipe ideas to try at home using sustainable UK stock.

How to eat fish sustainably and help our planet

Here are the top 10 most sustainable fish to eat in the UK...

www.countryliving.com

You’re right mate over here in the local supermarkets have Ling, Skate wings and virtually every other fish and shellfish. A bloke from Boulogne fish market said they buy the majority of their seafood from the UK even Lobster. As you say re education half of them if they saw a lobster for sale would ask if they had one in red,

 

[Lefty]

I see the article linked by the OP is dated October 2018. I must admit this is something I educated myself on years ago, either just before or possibly just after the referendum. It is easy to forget, when you know something for a long period of time on a subject so often in the news, that there is still widespread ignorance. Not that the information can now change things, but it can at least educate people why Brexit isn't delivering what they believed it would, which can then hopefully influence a more diligent approach to future decisions.

The importance of fishing, or rather lack of importance, to the economy and workforce of the UK overall was certainly known before the referendum in the more informed circles, it's just that unfortunately the mainstream media journalists charged with holding the campaigns to account on behalf of the electorate weren't one of those circles. Meanwhile informed leavers either kept quiet or actively lied outrageously in order to counter the message of informed remainers and continuing the decades long deflection from UK domestic decision making responsibility and place it entirely on the EU and its rules.

Fishing will be one area we do regain more control post Brexit, but whether we can actually make use of this is another thing all together. Given our track record on fishing is poor and the track record of our Tory Brexiters is astonishingly incompetent on everything else, I don't hold out much hope. The one ray of hope is that since this is such an important part of the Scottish economy and the SNP do have some very bright and EU literate MP's and MSP's, they may be able to sway our Westminster Government, who are after all largely moulded in Johnson's image: lazy, ignorant and largely unconcerned with the specific details whenever a soundbite will serve their political short-termist mindset.

 

[Cooper671]

That's as much to do with a lack of education in schools as much as anything else.

It's absolutely tragic that basic skills that adults need to survive in the big wide world are not taught more in schools.

Of course Cod is going to be one the most popular fish dishes in this country when school leavers lack basic cooking knowledge and are quite content to visit a maccy D's or a chippy or live off cheap and cheerful one step meals out of the supermarket.

Supply and demand. Cod is a boring fish to cook with at the best of times, try some Turbot (expensive yes) or black bream. Heck even seabass is a great alternative to cod and takes minutes to cook.

I've found this link an inspiration in the past when looking for recipe ideas to try at home using sustainable UK stock.

How to eat fish sustainably and help our planet

Here are the top 10 most sustainable fish to eat in the UK...

www.countryliving.com

Years ago I would never have eaten fish outside of batter. Wasn't very adventurous. Still wary of shellfish. I do like seabass but the other week I had Monkfish in a Jamaican style broth at Cookfella's in Guisborough. It was ridiculously good

 

[jam69]

Excellent wet fish shop on Parliament Rd, very reasonable too, most of the stuff when iam in is bought by non indigenous population. Gets some stuff you can't get anywhere else on teesside.
Oh and the old fashioned battered cold fish

 

[Randy]

Excellent wet fish shop on Parliament Rd, very reasonable too, most of the stuff when iam in is bought by non indigenous population. Gets some stuff you can't get anywhere else on teesside.
Oh and the old fashioned battered cold fish

What's it called mate? Would like to have a nosey.

 

[jam69]

Think its catch of the day. If you like crab you won't get it cheaper

 

[Randy]

Think its catch of the day. If you like crab you won't get it cheaper

Cheers. Might have a wander down next week. Buying fish is essential travel isn't it?

 

[Same_as_before]

You’re right mate over here in the local supermarkets have Ling, Skate wings and virtually every other fish and shellfish. A bloke from Boulogne fish market said they buy the majority of their seafood from the UK even Lobster. As you say re education half of them if they saw a lobster for sale would ask if they had one in red,

There is a documentary on Newcastle industry at the moment. I am sure it said 75% of European Lobster is from their fish market.

 

[Lefty]

There is a documentary on Newcastle industry at the moment. I am sure it said 75% of European Lobster is from their fish market.

To clarify, they said 75% of lobster consumed by citizens in the 27 EU member states is sourced from the Newcastle fish market?

 

[Same_as_before]

To clarify, they said 75% of lobster consumed by citizens in the 27 EU member states is sourced from the Newcastle fish market?

I think so. That's a very legalistic way of putting it.

 

[Lottowyn]

Surely the important fact , which is holding up the present Brexit talks, is that France has 84% of the quota for cod caught in U.K. waters whereas Britain has only 9%.
Until this situation is at least reversed there should be and will be no trade deal made with the EU.

 

[bear66]

Surely the important fact , which is holding up the present Brexit talks, is that France has 84% of the quota for cod caught in U.K. waters whereas Britain has only 9%.
Until this situation is at least reversed there should be and will be no trade deal made with the EU.

Not important at all compared with 99.9% of the economy. It's only foreign ships fishing the majority of our quotas anyway. Our fishing rights have already been sold down the river and there will be no going back

 

[Trug]

Surely the important fact , which is holding up the present Brexit talks, is that France has 84% of the quota for cod caught in U.K. waters whereas Britain has only 9%.
Until this situation is at least reversed there should be and will be no trade deal made with the EU.

How much of that quota did the French buy from British fishermen?

 

[Lottowyn]

Not important at all compared with 99.9% of the economy. It's only foreign ships fishing the majority of our quotas anyway. Our fishing rights have already been sold down the river and there will be no going back

I think Bear that you are really correct with "there will be no going back".
It will be a whole new beginning when we control all of our own waters.
We will not be in the Common Fisheries Policy whereby foreign trawlers land 8 times as much fish as we do. Sure , it may take time for own trawlers to build up and organise , but according to opinion in for example Grimsby, young people are queuing to get back into the industry.
Fishing may "not be important " now, but it will be when only our fishing has access to our areas.

 

[NYboro]

I think Bear that you are really correct with "there will be no going back".
It will be a whole new beginning when we control all of our own waters.
We will not be in the Common Fisheries Policy whereby foreign trawlers land 8 times as much fish as we do. Sure , it may take time for own trawlers to build up and organise , but according to opinion in for example Grimsby, young people are queuing to get back into the industry.
Fishing may "not be important " now, but it will be when only our fishing has access to our areas.

You're ignoring the fact that hardly ant of the fish caught in UK waters is eaten in the UK. That is almost exclusively deep sea fish, outside territorial waters. What do we do with all this fish that we suddenly start catching again? Oh and Grimsby was always a deep sea fleet.

 

[Lefty]

I think so. That's a very legalistic way of putting it.

legalistic? I was simply trying to clarify something which could be interpreted several different ways. You knew what you meant and I thought I did, but I didn’t see the show.

I knew the U.K. are a major source of shellfish for the EU, I just was surprised it is Newcastle that is such a dominant central point, rather than a combination of London, Grimsby, Scotland, South coast ports, Liverpool, Belfast etc

 

[HarryVegas]

I live only a couple of miles from North Shields fish quay and it's quiet in terms of fishing boats. I'd be very surprised if the figures regarding Newcastle university are correct but I stand to be educated.

 

[Soutra]

Peterhead and Fraserburgh are by far the biggest fishing ports. I think Bridlington is maybe the biggest lobster market in England, but it's a tiny fraction of the UK total.

 

[Lefty]

Surely the important fact , which is holding up the present Brexit talks, is that France has 84% of the quota for cod caught in U.K. waters whereas Britain has only 9%.
Until this situation is at least reversed there should be and will be no trade deal made with the EU.

Lottowyn, some questions occur to me which I think are pertinent. I was hoping you might know the answer?

One of the issues around fishing, that Brexiters have and I’d agree they have a point with, is that British fishermen seem to have less control nor indeed access to the U.K.’s own sovereign waters and the catch therein.

1. Do you know how the quota was divided between all the countries originally? Our waters presumably went into a pot for the EU as a whole and then we were given back a lesser proportion of it as part of the wider deal and other economic benefits of joining the EEC/EU, which included, for the fishing industry unfettered access to the EU markets that took most of the catch from our waters.

2. How was this U.K. quota originally allocated and who to?

3. How much did U.K. successful quota recipients pay for their quota, if anything?

4. How did this compare to the way other EU countries allocated their quota?

5. How much did the French pay for the U.K. quota they have acquired?

6. Is this now being stripped off them? Are they receiving sufficient compensation?

7. Does the U.K. effectively have to buy back their quota, which was part of the Withdrawal agreement divorce bill?

8. How is our new quota going to be divvied up among our fishing fleet this time?

9. How much will it cost?

10. Once acquired, can the quota be sold by our fishermen?

11. Will U.K. fishermen acquiring the quota be free to sell it once again to EU fishermen?

 

[Same_as_before]

legalistic? I was simply trying to clarify something which could be interpreted several different ways. You knew what you meant and I thought I did, but I didn’t see the show.

I knew the U.K. are a major source of shellfish for the EU, I just was surprised it is Newcastle that is such a dominant central point, rather than a combination of London, Grimsby, Scotland, South coast ports, Liverpool, Belfast etc

To be fair it was just one of those shows that was on. I was very surprised by the size of the Newcastle level of fish exports.