Red? Wow.

Just checked up on this ref's history. 65 red cards in 319 games. Sends someone off every 5 games!

For us reffed us 15 times and this is the fourth time he has sent a Bor player off and never sent off anyone against us. Whitehead, Johnson, Howson and McNair.

Hope we never get him again
 
we're only just above the ref's average BoroMart. To be honest the young lad staying on after kicking Fry in the face was a much worse decision.
 
Laughing said:
we're only just above the ref's average BoroMart. To be honest the young lad staying on after kicking Fry in the face was a much worse decision.
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No we are not. He sends a player off every 5 games-ish....but there are two teams on the field, that's a 1 in 10 sending off ratio.

He sends a Boro player off every 4 games-ish (3.8 is more accurate). If he had sent 2 Boro and 2 opposition players in 15 games, you would have a point.

He sends Boro players off MORE than twice as regularly as he sends off other players and without doing the maths, it's closer to three times as often.
 
BoroMart said:
No we are not. He sends a player off every 5 games-ish....but there are two teams on the field, that's a 1 in 10 sending off ratio.

He sends a Boro player off every 4 games-ish (3.8 is more accurate). If he had sent 2 Boro and 2 opposition players in 15 games, you would have a point.

He sends Boro players off MORE than twice as regularly as he sends off other players and without doing the maths, it's closer to three times as often.
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One way of looking at it, it does assume that all teams receive red cards at the same rate, of course.
 
Buddy said:
So out of all possible conclusions you reckon the ref has it in for Boro?
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No buddy, I'm not, although he might, who knows. I just said we don't want him again. He might be a sore Man Utd fan who remembers us beating them, or he might be a ref who has no tolerance for the aggressive side of the game, who knows.
 
BoroMart said:
It doesn't because they don't, we've just proven that.
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Not really a proof is it BM. His sending of rate in boro games has been consistent with other games, except, of course, they have been boro players. Maybe the correllation is something other than a biased ref.

I am not sure we are dirty, but I generally only watch boro champioship games, so I don't know the disciplinary record of other clubs.
 
BoroMart said:
His sending off rate is higher for us, but as you state, we're not really a dirty team, go figure.
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So were any of the other Boro sending offs this ref has been in charge for controversial? I’m struggling to remember them. Off to google...

Whitehead, Johnson and Howson.

Edit - Johnson was against Hull I think. Definite red.

Whitehead v Brentford - straight red for a bad tackle. Not controversial

Howson - 2 yellows v Cardiff last year (I think). Warnock said he was disappointed with Howson so can’t have been a bad decision.

So I don’t think it’s some sort of grudge.
 
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Just been reading about referee Jeremy Simpson. A number of clubs have petitioned against him in the past, including Leeds and Fulham, after a series of bizarre decisions In games involving them.

I don’t think it’s anything personal against Boro, more that he’s just not a very good referee.
 
Laughing said:
If thats the case it sticks in the craw a bit, doesn't it.
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It would a bit, yes. But there were similarities in that both officials appeared to have heavily brylcreemed hair. After the 'kick in the face incident' when the players were protesting I noticed he corrected his hair f.f.s. flustered he was.
Note no substances or drink have been taken before this post, but I haven't had an eye test for some time!
 
Watched it on Quest tonight, just after they had been talking about dodgy tackles. Colin Murray, who is an Irish fan (McNair), didn’t mention it. Probably because of the appeal but the angle on the telly they showed would be in our favour. (y)
 
This is an alternative angle of the frame* I originally posted (where their player was obscured by Morsy). The idea that the players were no-where near each other is just pure fantasy. Their player is about to kick through the ball with his right foot.

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*roughly - difficult to get an exact match but Morsy's left foot is slightly lower here and is moving upwards - if anything the earlier image is a fraction of a second later
 
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El Guapo said:
I suppose it depends on what constitutes excessive force and I guess it’s all about opinion, interpretation and semantics really.
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Well, not necessarily because the law talks about it being serious foul play if the player either "uses excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent".

Of the two, for me this looks more likely to come under the category of endangering, rather than that of excessive force.
 
Scrote said:
This is an alternative angle of the frame* I originally posted (where their player was obscured by Morsy). The idea that the players were no-where near each other is just pure fantasy. Their player is about to kick through the ball with his right foot.

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*roughly - difficult to get an exact match but Morsy's left foot is slightly lower here and is moving upwards - if anything the earlier image is a fraction of a second later
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As I've said on other threads, its just as well the appeals committee (and VAR) don't use still images. They will use real time and slowed down footage.
 
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