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Red? Wow.
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- Serious foul play
- Violent conduct
- Spitting at an opponent or any other person
- Denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity with a handball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his/her own penalty area)
- Denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity with a deliberate foul (with no attempt to play the ball)
- Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
- Receiving a second caution in the same match
- WHICH ONE WAS McNAIR GUILTY OF ?
Way_Out_West
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SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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rbmfc1985
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I don't think it was a red. But they'd probably put it under serious foul play, lunging with excessive force, endangering an opponent. I didn't see it that way though, I don't think he was ever out of control and I think that Morsy's challenge in the first half fit that description far more than McNair's did... and that wasn't a red either!
Yearbyred
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By the fact he was sent off the ref (and assistant) thought the tackle was serious foul play.
Edited - rule posted as I was typing reply
Scrote
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- Serious foul play
- Violent conduct
It was a two-footed uncontrolled lunge which endangered another player.
---edit--- both feet off the ground rather than two-footed as per below
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Yearbyred
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I don’t think it was two footed, just the fact he left the floor.
He didn’t need I make the challenge like that, reckless.
Scrote
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Sorry, you're correct. I meant two feet off the ground.
---both feet - I meant both feet off the ground (before someone gets the tape measure out
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rbmfc1985
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It's not violent conduct, that would be use of the elbow, arm, stamping on a player, etc. It doesn't cover a challenge like this. Serious foul play I could see IF he caught the player - he didn't and didn't come close touching the player. The referee will say it was serious foul play, but I think we'll win the appeal because he went for the ball and I don't think he was out of control at any point.
Scrote
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I'm pretty sure that having BOTH* feet off the ground used to part of the "Out Of Control" definition. It might have just been a commentator thing though.
*see earlier post
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rbmfc1985
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An out of control lunge at a player would be a red, even if he got the ball first. But when a player isn't in control of the ball in the first place it's not as simple. A lunge at a loose ball isn't serious foul play and as he didn't catch at player at all, it would be a free kick and a yellow at worst (if the referee thought the player could have got to the ball without the lunge) and just a good challenge at best.
We'll probably win the appeal for that reason.
Englishteacher
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McNair’s suspension might get increased to 4 games if we appeal - I am sure that has happened to some teams before when the panel have deemed the evidence for the appeal to be weak and in my eyes the evidence is weak.
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rbmfc1985
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The ball had bounced off him and the defender, he wasn't in control of it. That photo makes it look a completely different challenge to the one you see in the video!
Yearbyred
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I agree that it makes it look worse, but it does suggest there was some contact with the Huddersfield player, which is the reason I posted it.
Paulroddam7
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It’s a horror tackle to be fair. I’d be surprised if we appeal that.
What that photo shows, is that because of launching himself into the air as he did, McNair was then no longer in control of his bodily momentum. This in turn meant he couldn't stop that momentum before it caused his upturned studs to make contact with the opponent's shin.
So as far as I can tell, it meets the criteria given above for an instance of serious foul play, wherein a player:
It's actually a simpler equation than that - SFP involves a challenge for the ball whereas VC doesn't.
As the image posted by @Yearbyred shows, he did make contact though. Also, on the highlights video you can clearly see how his momentum carries him right on through the opponent. That's the trouble with launching yourself bodily into the air as part of a challenge - once you leave the ground, as dictated by the laws of physics, you are no longer in control of your body's trajectory.
As a Boro fan I'd much rather McNair wasn't suspended but unfortunately I don't see how that would be overturned. Unless of course, the appeals panel (which consists of a majority of non-referees) decided not to take the literal wording of the law into account, which they sometimes seem to do.
Expat Smoggie
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looks like a red