Raw Sewage in our rivers

It's not about supply chains being robust; it's that like a lot of the economy they're operated on a Just in Time basis. We've decided as a country to abandon that model where imported materials are required.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You’re cleverer than this. Brexit has accelerated the issue. Privatisation is also part of the problem. When.you have major problems, it’s normally several things happening at the same time
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That's a good point too. England should really have not-for-profit water utility companies like Wales do. Of course, the Tories would never consider such a thing.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You’re cleverer than this. Brexit has accelerated the issue. Privatisation is also part of the problem. When.you have major problems, it’s normally several things happening at the same time
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Agreed but like making getting a HGV licence easier and making our raods more dangerous, this pumping of raw sewage is directly linked to covering up a problem caused by brexit.

That's the issue here. Brexit is causing these problems to come to a head and rather than addressing this, the government is endangering our safety, our health and the environment.

It should be unthinkable that a governement can hide from a politcal porblem by doing this. They can and they are though. It's a major issue. It's also why I have a problem with those still defending brexit now. Until they can admit there is something wrong the government will get away with endangering us to cover it up.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You’re cleverer than this. Brexit has accelerated the issue. Privatisation is also part of the problem. When.you have major problems, it’s normally several things happening at the same time
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privatisation of utility service is a failure, agreed, but that's a general cost/value proposition failure.

Brexit has caused this particular supply chain issue, which itself is exacerbated by utility companies failure to invest in efforts to mitigate the issue prior to it arriving. But what do you expect, capitalism fails when you impinge on the rights of rich people to get a return on investment. They expect the government to bail them out of their losses caused by brexit, or to give them leeway to make profits by lowering standards.....this government chose the latter
 
The River Wye is badly populated now. It is believed to be agricultural waste particularly chicken manure, much from chicken egg farms in Wales, so Welsh water are not perfect. Its been going on for many years now, long before the UK left the EU. A river that was flowing with salmon is now almost devoid.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Agree with both @SmallTown and @BoroMart latest posts

people think corbyn was a crackpot for wanting things back in public ownership
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I was never a full blown corbynista, but he was absolutely right that key utilisy should be public owned.

People always use the trains in the 70s as an example of why we shouldn't have nationalised services. But we are now one of the most mature countries for service industries and the world leader in IT service industry (again largely due to the government creating standards adopted world wide before those standards got sold off for profit). Nationalised rail would be very manageable today with modern rolling stock instead of 1950s tech, with modern service management techniques and would be value driven not profit driven. It's a no brainer for me to bring transport, electricity, water back in house. I'd consider internet connectivity too even though he was lampooned for it....sick of teams meetings with people glitching because they're in the wrong part of the country
 
BoroMart said:
I was never a full blown corbynista, but he was absolutely right that key utilisy should be public owned.

People always use the trains in the 70s as an example of why we shouldn't have nationalised services. But we are now one of the most mature countries for service industries and the world leader in IT service industry (again largely due to the government creating standards adopted world wide before those standards got sold off for profit). Nationalised rail would be very manageable today with modern rolling stock instead of 1950s tech, with modern service management techniques and would be value driven not profit driven. It's a no brainer for me to bring transport, electricity, water back in house. I'd consider internet connectivity too even though he was lampooned for it....sick of teams meetings with people glitching because they're in the wrong part of the country
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With regard to the transport infrastructure; this particularly makes sense, considering a lot of it is owned by other countries' government owned companies.
 
BoroMart said:
I was never a full blown corbynista, but he was absolutely right that key utilisy should be public owned.

People always use the trains in the 70s as an example of why we shouldn't have nationalised services. But we are now one of the most mature countries for service industries and the world leader in IT service industry (again largely due to the government creating standards adopted world wide before those standards got sold off for profit). Nationalised rail would be very manageable today with modern rolling stock instead of 1950s tech, with modern service management techniques and would be value driven not profit driven. It's a no brainer for me to bring transport, electricity, water back in house. I'd consider internet connectivity too even though he was lampooned for it....sick of teams meetings with people glitching because they're in the wrong part of the country
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The East Coast Main Line shows a railway can be ran public. In fact, in the last ten years it has been ran public for all but two/three of those years.
 
"Amused" to read that Southend has had to urgently close its beaches, only briefly "Southend City" now "Southend Shi tty"

I would urge everyone who has a Tory MP to contact them and politely (because if you are rude they will ignore you) ask them to address the problem of untreated and partially treated sewage being discharged into our waterways and seas.

Not only are the the laughing stock of Europe we are adrift in a poisoned sea. Sceptered Isle? Sceptic Isle...
 
Muttley said:
"Amused" to read that Southend has had to urgently close its beaches, only briefly "Southend City" now "Southend Shi tty"

I would urge everyone who has a Tory MP to contact them and politely (because if you are rude they will ignore you) ask them to address the problem of untreated and partially treated sewage being discharged into our waterways and seas.

Not only are the the laughing stock of Europe we are adrift in a poisoned sea. Sceptered Isle? Sceptic Isle...
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Good point they vote again on Wednesday, they can be influenced
 
Re: the crabs. Undersea electricity cables are supposed to confuse crabs (don't ask me), causing them to 'freeze' when they should be migrating, so could this could be a factor?

In any event, Thames Water has been dumping sewage and having chemical spillages in London rivers for decades, so the idea that the EU era was a halcyon age doesnt quite fit the narrative.
 
Public ownership of water would be my preference, but the key is getting them to just do their jobs properly. The Environment Agency and Welsh water have not protected the river Wye as much as they should have, both are publicly owned.
 
Anton_Berg said:
Re: the crabs. Undersea electricity cables are supposed to confuse crabs (don't ask me), causing them to 'freeze' when they should be migrating, so could this could be a factor?

In any event, Thames Water has been dumping sewage and having chemical spillages in London rivers for decades, so the idea that the EU era was a halcyon age doesnt quite fit the narrative.
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So, they failed to meet the legal requirements. The question should be why did the Government do nothing about it?
 
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