Racism at the Proms...?

ticker_tape said:
Must admit Jam, I`m done with the BBC after always considering it a good instituition, how wrong I was.

After the Savile and Hall legacy and how many others.

Then the Neil ,Kuenssberg, Smith etc showing open rank subversion and bias- it finished them for me.
The carless disregard of open racism on Brexit and the treatment of Corbyn , plus promoting Farage at every opportunity was disgusting. The failure of Neil to interview Fatty capped it off.

They now kowtow to the Tories while thinking a few left wing comic shows spouting anti establishment satire forgives of them of their real dirty work of promoting right wing ideology .
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The ridiculous thing is you don't have to search too far (in fact just read the front page of the Daily Mail) to find an equal amount of people foaming at the mouth that they are 'trying to destroy our culture' and are giving in to antifa terrorists.

If anything the BBC has become a victim of trying to placate the extremes of both sides of any argument, because it spends too long trying to adapt to the latest trends in journalism and online commentary rather than steering its own course.
 
Colin Warnek said:
How?
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The ‘anit’ discussion goes something like this:
’Britain never never never shall be slaves’...
Could imply that we are ok with others who become slaves.



Agree/disagree by all means but at least try and understand the ‘other’ view
 
1finny said:
The ‘anit’ discussion goes something like this:
’Britain never never never shall be slaves’...
Could imply that we are ok with others who become slaves.
Agree/disagree by all means but at least try and understand the ‘other’ view
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"Britons" not "Britain". Can also be implied to mean that subjects of the British Empire i.e. Britons (post-abolition) "shall" not be slaves - as opposed to subjects of elsewhere.
Even if sung with the modern association of "Britons" (i.e. people from here) it is hardly a negative thing to sing that we shan't be slaves.
 
Colin Warnek said:
"Britons" not "Britain". Can also be implied to mean that subjects of the British Empire i.e. Britons (post-abolition) "shall" not be slaves - as opposed to subjects of elsewhere.
Even if sung with the modern association of "Britons" (i.e. people from here) it is hardly a negative thing to sing that we shan't be slaves.
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But it could be seen as such - that’s the point
 
1finny said:
But it could be seen as such - that’s the point
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Only by someone who's being deliberately obtuse.

The only genuinely inappropriate line in either song is the "Wider still and wider, shall our bounds be set" in Land of Hope and Glory, which is obviously a reference to expansionism.
 
BoroBen92 said:
Only by someone who's being deliberately obtuse.

The only genuinely inappropriate line in either song is the "Wider still and wider, shall our bounds be set" in Land of Hope and Glory, which is obviously a reference to expansionism.
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Really?
Strange thing to say - when I was listening to the discussion I just heard two people making comments.
But, if it’s your view that only ‘obtuse’ people will see that then fine.
At least we agree it can be perceived as such (That’s if obtuse views count of course).

I’m imagining your view is non obtuse and objective.
 
Perhaps they should play this instead


Perhaps the most pro-British pieces of jingoistic music ever written with a few familiar tunes in it. 14 minutes. Written by a German, this version played by a German orchestra with a German conductor who, before and during WW2, was a member of the Nazi party. Arguably the greatest composer ever with one of the best ever orchestras conducted by one of the best ever conductors ....

Edit - it's best with earphones
 
1finny said:
Really?
Strange thing to say - when I was listening to the discussion I just heard two people making comments.
But, if it’s your view that only ‘obtuse’ people will see that then fine.
At least we agree it can be perceived as such (That’s if obtuse views count of course).

I’m imagining your view is non obtuse and objective.
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I don't believe that anyone could genuinely see a line about Britons never being slaves as an endorsement of slavery elsewhere.

There's a lot to criticise about our history, a great deal of which needs covering in education, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that line.
 
BoroBen92 said:
Only by someone who's being deliberately obtuse.

The only genuinely inappropriate line in either song is the "Wider still and wider, shall our bounds be set" in Land of Hope and Glory, which is obviously a reference to expansionism.
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I wouldn't say that that was inappropriate either. Surely what matters is the way in which you expand, rather than just expanding itself.
 
Colin Warnek said:
Certainly. But is there anything wrong with celebrating that we once did?
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I'd say that it depends what it is we're celebrating, particularly with its relevance to things as they are now. There are plenty of things to celebrate in science, engineering, arts, literature and stuff like the Bletchley Park workers that ultimately saved countless thousands of lives. That institution is currently looking at cutting its workforce because of lack funding. We have strange priorities if you ask me.
 
BoroBen92 said:
I don't believe that anyone could genuinely see a line about Britons never being slaves as an endorsement of slavery elsewhere.

There's a lot to criticise about our history, a great deal of which needs covering in education, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that line.
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Despite the fact some people think there is - oh ok then, that’s that sorted (n)
Must be nice to be ‘right’
I will track down the lady from R4 and tell her she was wrong.
 
"Bletchley Park workers" Celebrate with the thought of the Big Ass Lizzy 2 Govt that chemically castrated Alan Turing, which later led to his suicide. A nicer bunch we couldnt celebrate with, yet some still doff their cap to the lizard woman who pardoned him. Id jail her.

The BBC should stop political correspondence altogether, just produce light light entertainment and social ,historical and natural history documentaries. I shouldnt pay for political propaganda.
 
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