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Frankie Lee said:
You said loads of people on here. But it isn’t true.
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You have completely misunderstood the post. I said I think I’m on a different planet to some on here

And the point about the extreme left being as bad as the extreme right was an observation in general. Wasn’t aimed at this website.

But thanks for proving my point anyway 😂
 
Aet290204 said:
You can’t present a programme like QT ahd get away with bias.. I’ve used the phrase echo chamber further up the thread.

I think I live on a different planet to a load of people on here. Talk about the extreme right being toxic. The extreme left are equally as bad.

I know one thing - this country is in a right fkg mess.
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What kind of policies do you think represent the extreme left ? (I’m super curious)


Just like when truss (extreme right) got her hands on power for 5 minutes the country is in such a terrible state that the markets reaction to her extreme policies and people’s pensions ‘tanking’ as a result of that nutcase therefore whatever anyone might think of doing (a corbynista type you might think or say) the markets start reacting and they have to reign themselves in and move to one side just like truss did.

So, there are market checks and balances for these lunatics in charge but it’s the right wing nut jobs we must be wary of because enough people have been brainwashed into thinking and believing that it’s the only way….
You don’t need to worry about the far left mush.
Just keep thinking about how your pension will recover from the lunacy of truss - if you have a pension to worry about…
 
atypical_boro said:
No doubt these are hard Right wingers but there are plenty of hard Lefties on there too.
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Proportionally there aren't. For every, say 20 RW loons there may be a token LW guest.

What / who would be the definition of hard left - the likes of Dennis Skinner? Surely the opposite end of the spectrum to the likes of the Tufton St loons would be hardline Marxist/ Communists?

Same goes for Green Party representation - pitiful really. Since Lucas stood down there has been hardly any (if any?) Green Party involvement on the show.

🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
h_m_boro said:
Proportionally there aren't. For every, say 20 RW loons there may be a token LW guest.

What / who would be the definition of hard left - the likes of Dennis Skinner? Surely the opposite end of the spectrum to the likes of the Tufton St loons would be hardline Marxist/ Communists?

Same goes for Green Party representation - pitiful really. Since Lucas stood down there has been hardly any (if any?) Green Party involvement on the show.

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Owen Jones would probably be deemed as fairly hard Left. I don’t mind him, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t hard Left. In the same way that Douglas Murray is hard Right, or Jordan Peterson.
 
Aet290204 said:
You have completely misunderstood the post. I said I think I’m on a different planet to some on here

And the point about the extreme left being as bad as the extreme right was an observation in general. Wasn’t aimed at this website.

But thanks for proving my point anyway 😂
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I’m not extreme anything or right or left anything. I just try and treat other people how I’d want them to treat me.
 
Aet290204 said:
I meant in terms of toxicity.
I find the extreme left as toxic as the extreme right.
Sorry.
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It was very odd how on the eve of the post office scandal story the audience member asked the question damning the govts response…. Fiona then turned to Lisa Nandy to ask how she’d solve it and not the defacto govt minister who’s problem it is to solve now.

That was odd.
 
Aet290204 said:
I meant in terms of toxicity.
I find the extreme left as toxic as the extreme right.
Sorry.
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What's the extreme left, what do they stand for ?

Are you talking about communists, marxists, socialists or just people who are more vocals about the failings of the current government than you'd like ? Would you describe say Mick Lynch as "hard left", perhaps an example would be good.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
What's the extreme left, what do they stand for ?

Are you talking about communists, marxists, socialists or just people who are more vocals about the failings of the current government than you'd like ? Would you describe say Mick Lynch as "hard left", perhaps an example would be good.
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Well atypical has already mentioned Owen Jones who I think is deliberately confrontational and toxic and incredibly dislikeable but here’s a few people who’s rhetoric I took a dislike to:

Rebecca Long Bailey
John McDonnell
Richard Burgon
Corbyn.

And as for people being vocal against the current government - we’ll good on them. Worst fkg government in my lifetime. Can’t wait to vote them out.
 
Corco65 said:
What is that makes Owen Jones hard left in your view?
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Well he is pretty much the epitome of the hard Left isn’t he? He’s not just “a bit of a lefty”. That’s what people tend to describe someone like me as (liberal politically, believe in public services and infrastructure, progressive taxation etc). But I certainly never going round screaming “I’m Left wing!” from the rooftops. Jones believes in all of those things but he is much more dogmatic about them, he’s “Left” with bells and whistles on.

He’s an activist and an author, I’ve read his first two books (they were ok) and his third was literally called “the struggle of the left”. He is someone who prides himself on being “of the left” and it’s unthinkable to describe him as anything other than hard Left to me. He used to work for John McDonnell! He certainly isn’t moderate in his views. Fairly Chomskyist.

Hard Left and Far Left are not the same thing btw, at least not in my view.
 
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atypical_boro said:
Well he is pretty much the epitome of the hard Left isn’t he? He’s not just “a bit of a lefty”. That’s what people tend to describe someone like me as (liberal politically, believe in public services and infrastructure, progressive taxation etc). But I certainly never going round screaming “I’m Left wing!” from the rooftops. Jones believes in all of those things but he is much more dogmatic about them, he’s “Left” with bells and whistles on.

He’s an activist and an author, I’ve read his first two books (they were ok) and his third was literally called “the struggle of the left”. He is someone who prides himself on being “of the left” and it’s unthinkable to describe him as anything other than hard Left to me. He used to work for John McDonnell! He certainly isn’t moderate in his views. Fairly Chomskyist.

Hard Left and Far Left are not the same thing btw, at least not in my view.
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I would never consider Owen Jones as hard left, yes left, he is someone who speaks up for what he believes in; fair pay, good working conditions, fairer taxation, state ownership of utilities, properly funded NHS and other public services and better equality in society. I can't understand how ordinary working people don't feel these aims are of benefit to them, and get behind them, whats wrong with them, why does it make them hard left ideas, and why is following your convictions with passion and using appropriate platforms to share your message and challenge other views when necessary seen as being hard left. I wonder what those in the past who fought so hard and sacrificed so much in the past to establish trade unions, representation in parliment for ordinary people and th seting up of the welfare state in the 1940's would now be classed as, how far left must they be?
 
Corco65 said:
I would never consider Owen Jones as hard left, yes left, he is someone who speaks up for what he believes in; fair pay, good working conditions, fairer taxation, state ownership of utilities, properly funded NHS and other public services and better equality in society. I can't understand how ordinary working people don't feel these aims are of benefit to them, and get behind them, whats wrong with them, why does it make them hard left ideas, and why is following your convictions with passion and using appropriate platforms to share your message and challenge other views when necessary seen as being hard left. I wonder what those in the past who fought so hard and sacrificed so much in the past to establish trade unions, representation in parliment for ordinary people and th seting up of the welfare state in the 1940's would now be classed as, how far left must they be?
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Nobody said anything was “wrong”, with anything. You appear to be taking the term “hard Left” as a negative, all I’m saying is that there are dogmatic Leftists on QT, and they are often there to balance out the Douglas Murrays and Jordan Petersons.

I sometimes struggle to envisage how “balanced” people want the show to be. I’m not suggesting it is perfect but three politicians (depending on location) plus 2 “commentators” (one left, one right) is a fairly balanced general approach. I can’t really get on board with the idea that the Right wingers are too Right and the Lefties aren’t all that Lefty. That just suggests a biased perspective to me.
 
atypical_boro said:
Nobody said anything was “wrong”, with anything. You appear to be taking the term “hard Left” as a negative, all I’m saying is that there are dogmatic Leftists on QT, and they are often there to balance out the Douglas Murrays and Jordan Petersons.

I sometimes struggle to envisage how “balanced” people want the show to be. I’m not suggesting it is perfect but three politicians (depending on location) plus 2 “commentators” (one left, one right) is a fairly balanced general approach. I can’t really get on board with the idea that the Right wingers are too Right and the Lefties aren’t all that Lefty. That just suggests a biased perspective to me.
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Tell you what mate.

Dont be moderate and the voice of reason and sit on the middle of the fence.

This fmttm lot won’t like you for it.

Just an observation like.
 
atypical_boro said:
Nobody said anything was “wrong”, with anything. You appear to be taking the term “hard Left” as a negative, all I’m saying is that there are dogmatic Leftists on QT, and they are often there to balance out the Douglas Murrays and Jordan Petersons.

I sometimes struggle to envisage how “balanced” people want the show to be. I’m not suggesting it is perfect but three politicians (depending on location) plus 2 “commentators” (one left, one right) is a fairly balanced general approach. I can’t really get on board with the idea that the Right wingers are too Right and the Lefties aren’t all that Lefty. That just suggests a biased perspective to me.
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I asked the question about what was 'wrong' because the term 'hard left' has negative connotations and has been used over the years to discredit individuals and certain policies, as away of protecting the status quo, meaning that people who use it to describe someone or something are are emphasisng and portraying hard left as something negative/bad in someway, well that's my view anyway.

I guess we all have our own political scale where we put ourselves, and then others in comparison.
 
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