Pubs to close?

BoroMart

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#2
let year 11 back, and reduce the numbers in pubs? or pubs from may to oct when people will sit outside, and schools open Nov to Apr
 

RandySavage

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#3
I'm telling you all now, if they shutdown the pubs and restaurants without the government paying us full wages there will be riots.

Edit. After further reading into the matter it's a news story blown out of proportion with no factual statements to back it up.

Phew. 😀
 

penry1

Active member
#4
Kids are superspreaders. Local pub of mine dont put the distancing inplace, golf club players hugging, dominic cummings started the slacking. The goverment paniced and came out of lockdown too early. Its been a badly handled mess. Now no one knows what to do. But its safe to go to workof course
 

BoroMart

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#6
I'm telling you all now, if they shutdown the pubs and restaurants without the government paying us full wages there will be riots.

Edit. After further reading into the matter it's a news story blown out of proportion with no factual statements to back it up.

Phew. 😀
the evidence to back it up is that Whity stated specifically that we would need to regress some of the recent changes to allow any further loosening. It isn't unfounded, just speculative on what would be dropped to allow schools back
 

Billy Horner

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#10
I'm telling you all now, if they shutdown the pubs and restaurants without the government paying us full wages there will be riots.

Edit. After further reading into the matter it's a news story blown out of proportion with no factual statements to back it up.

Phew. 😀
You have to remember that, ultimately, this comes down to basic maths. The virus spreads by human to human contact and the more of those contacts that there are, the faster and further the virus can spread.

When we reopen schools in September, the current plan is to keep children and teachers in a 'bubble' within each school year. If each of those bubbles has, say, 250 people in it, then the number of potential human contacts is 31,125 (the number of pairs from 250).

When those children and teachers then go home at the end of the day, they probably come into contact with other children in the family, who've also had a potential 31,125 contacts. If someone in the household then goes to the pub for a couple of hours and sits in an enclosed space with 30 other people, that multiplies all of those previous contacts by a further 435. This all starts afresh the following day and so on.

As you can see, as we open up more, the number of potential contacts grows exponentially. Therefore, even though the risk of any individual contact spreading the virus may be incredibly small, once you've got large number of such contacts, it becomes a mathematical certainty that the virus will spread.

This is what the SAGE experts mean when they say there may need to be trade offs if we want to prioritise reopening schools in September. I wouldn't dismiss at as blown out of proportion and the people being quoted are the very people who will be advising the government accordingly.
 

asredastheycome

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#11
I'm telling you all now, if they shutdown the pubs and restaurants without the government paying us full wages there will be riots.

Edit. After further reading into the matter it's a news story blown out of proportion with no factual statements to back it up.

Phew. 😀

Heard the question asked on either Newsnight Thursday or Sky News Friday morning.

Why close pubs when Tony Hancock is saying these latest spikes in infections are occurring in the home. Hence the new measures. You can still go to the pub in these areas.

Seems to me we should close households and send everyone to the pub.;);):eek:
 

RandySavage

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#12
You have to remember that, ultimately, this comes down to basic maths. The virus spreads by human to human contact and the more of those contacts that there are, the faster and further the virus can spread.

When we reopen schools in September, the current plan is to keep children and teachers in a 'bubble' within each school year. If each of those bubbles has, say, 250 people in it, then the number of potential human contacts is 31,125 (the number of pairs from 250).

When those children and teachers then go home at the end of the day, they probably come into contact with other children in the family, who've also had a potential 31,125 contacts. If someone in the household then goes to the pub for a couple of hours and sits in an enclosed space with 30 other people, that multiplies all of those previous contacts by a further 435. This all starts afresh the following day and so on.

As you can see, as we open up more, the number of potential contacts grows exponentially. Therefore, even though the risk of any individual contact spreading the virus may be incredibly small, once you've got large number of such contacts, it becomes a mathematical certainty that the virus will spread.

This is what the SAGE experts mean when they say there may need to be trade offs if we want to prioritise reopening schools in September. I wouldn't dismiss at as blown out of proportion and the people being quoted are the very people who will be advising the government accordingly.
Ah yes these scientists who are always 100% correct who weren't voted in to power by the population.

If they shut things down again as some b***ks trade off excuse the virus will be the least of the government's worries.
 
#15
Depends on how kids spread it. Has any sort of consensus been reached on this? I remember reading some initial reports based on contact tracing saying that children weren't passing it on, but haven't kept up with it since.
 
#16
I cannot see much of a logic of the school/pub connection, although I have known a few boozy teachers.
It's just the number of people coming into contact with other people, rather than having a direct connection.
Say 50 people visited zoos and 50 people visited museums. Close zoos and you stop 50 people mixing.
That's how I see it anyway.
 

BoroMart

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#17
It's just the number of people coming into contact with other people, rather than having a direct connection.
Say 50 people visited zoos and 50 people visited museums. Close zoos and you stop 50 people mixing.
That's how I see it anyway.
The reports I saw yesterday were based around a study in a summer camp. Within 2 weeks IIRC 54% of 9-11 were confirmed covid. 12-15 were about 42% and 16-18 were about 30%. There were several 100 kids in this camp and covid was introduced by one of the camp supervisors who was asymptomatic at the beginning.

It would seem that kids are highly infectious, younger kids particularly, probably because they are less able to follow social distancing and cleanliness rules.
 

Malaguena

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#18
Here in Spain we've had the biggest daily number of infections (just over 1000 yesterday) since late April, through primarily in the "spike" areas of Aragon and Madrid . What is interesting is that the average age of those infected has dropped from 66 to 40 - younger people not following mask and social distancing rules.

The response has been to go back and restrict bar, restaurant, and nightclub capacities and opening hours - the rationale and rules have been communicated clearly, are unambiguous, and being enforced.

This will need to happen in the UK
 

BoroMart

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#19
Here in Spain we've had the biggest daily number of infections (just over 1000 yesterday) since late April, through primarily in the "spike" areas of Aragon and Madrid . What is interesting is that the average age of those infected has dropped from 66 to 40 - younger people not following mask and social distancing rules.

The response has been to go back and restrict bar, restaurant, and nightclub capacities and opening hours - the rationale and rules have been communicated clearly, are unambiguous, and being enforced.

This will need to happen in the UK
We might need a new government if it needs to be "communicated clearly, unambiguously, and enforced."
 
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