Police Brutality

outoftown said:
They actually don't .
Otherwise we'd have loads of justification for carers booting nannas and grandad's in the head in dementia care .

Your actions , physically to an individual are about your current risk.
He might of banjo'd your colleague, but whilst he's face down , cuffed and tazered ..
He's not posing a risk , in the here and now , that justifies an action that would be a gbh/ affray / attempt murder on civvy street
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He wasn’t cuffed. He’d been tasered but still wasn’t complying.

The nursing home comparison is just silly - not many Nanna’s and Grandads have the ability to injure on duty Policeman.
 
Malaguena said:
Yeah - probably not well thought out on the Blair Peach comment there - apologies

Still applies to Liddle Towers though
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I think the post was referring to the Liddle Towers who was killed in police custody, not the poster on Red Roar.
 
Winston Smith said:
He wasn’t cuffed. He’d been tasered but still wasn’t complying.

The nursing home comparison is just silly - not many Nanna’s and Grandads have the ability to injure on duty Policeman.
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It's far from a silly comparison.
Carers are assaulted far more frequently than police officers, especially those whom work in mental health based services.
Spat on , kicked , bit , walloped .. it's real.

There's no justification for kicking , then stamping the head of a face down person who's NOT posing you , or your colleagues, imminent life changing threat..
Irrespective of your public service position.
 
Winston Smith said:
He wasn’t cuffed. He’d been tasered but still wasn’t complying.

The nursing home comparison is just silly - not many Nanna’s and Grandads have the ability to injure on duty Policeman.
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How do you know he wasn’t complying, he was face down and arms by his side what exactly was he doing to show his noncompliance?
 
This is really simple; I can't think of any circumstances where stamping on the guys head, after first kicking him, is anything other than assault.

I would expect he'll be charged with assault in due course, because that is what the law dictates, legally there's very little room for manoeuvre, if any.
 
The kick in the face and stamp were totally over the top and the policeman will rightly face the consequences.

But, let's not forget that 4 police officers were assaulted, including a police woman with a broken nose. These lads were no angels themselves.

I'm in and around Manchester tomorrow, I hope there's not another Harehills type "protest".
 
Here's another video of the incident. One of the officer appears to say to the lad on the floor something like "You f*cking move I'll.....". Can't quite make out what was said.

The female officer then pushes the auntie out of the way and angrily tells her to "stay out the way".

I think it's obvious they've let their emotions get the better of them, after witnessing a female colleague ending up with a broken nose. They're only human and unfortunately at least one of them will most likely lose their job as a result of this.

It does highlight what a difficult job it is. If somebody broke my colleague's nose I'd find it difficult to show restraint, but ultimately I do agree that police officers should be expected to do this, unless it's absolutely necessary to do otherwise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816186709362819544
 
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Bernieslavenschin said:
The ‘Auntie’ concerned was obstructing the police immediately prior to the incident and again when both men are on the floor is approaching the officers arresting the men.

It doesn’t justify the kick or the stamp, but telling her to get out of the way is completely justified IMO
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Yeah I agree. No issue at all with the female officer who pushed her out of the way and shouted at her.

I just made reference to it because it highlights how angry and upset these officers were, understandably so as well. Unfortunately one of them truly lost their head in the heat of the moment and will now pay the price.
 
I feel for the police. No sign of anything that proceeded the released footage. Every action following it over analysed when things are happening in the heat of battle.

I have no idea how I'd react in a situation like that.

Unfortunately some of the behaviour on the spliced footage we see is completely unacceptable with the current context provided. I'm not sure if any new context or longer footage will change the booting in the head.
 
Cambsred said:
I feel for the police. No sign of anything that proceeded the released footage. Every action following it over analysed when things are happening in the heat of battle.

I have no idea how I'd react in a situation like that.

Unfortunately some of the behaviour on the spliced footage we see is completely unacceptable with the current context provided. I'm not sure if any new context or longer footage will change the booting in the head.
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I feel sorry for the pc who got her nose broken. I dont have any sympathy for the officer who kicked out, he lost it completely and theres a high probability hes done similar before.
 
outoftown said:
It's far from a silly comparison.
Carers are assaulted far more frequently than police officers, especially those whom work in mental health based services.
Spat on , kicked , bit , walloped .. it's real.

There's no justification for kicking , then stamping the head of a face down person who's NOT posing you , or your colleagues, imminent life changing threat..
Irrespective of your public service position.
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Unless the carers are carrying firearms then it’s an incredibly silly comparison.

If the Policeman put himself into a position where his firearm could be taken then he would be putting his life and others in danger. He ensured that this didn’t happen.
 
Winston Smith said:
Unless the carers are carrying firearms then it’s an incredibly silly comparison.

If the Policeman put himself into a position where his firearm could be taken then he would be putting his life and others in danger. He ensured that this didn’t happen.
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If the policeman puts himself into a position where his firearm could be taken from him then he either hasn't followed his training or hasn't been properly trained. Either way he probably shouldn't be an armed police officer.
 
Juninhoburger said:
If the policeman puts himself into a position where his firearm could be taken from him then he either hasn't followed his training or hasn't been properly trained. Either way he probably shouldn't be an armed police officer.
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He doesn’t put himself in that position, that’s the point.
 
Winston Smith said:
He doesn’t put himself in that position, that’s the point.
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Yeah but neither does the bloke on the floor go for his gun...

It's a short video though, at the moment we have no idea if the guy on the floor is on the floor because he did try to go for the coppers gun. If he did, then i'm surprised he didn't just get shot.
 
Juninhoburger said:
Yeah but neither does the bloke on the floor go for his gun...

It's a short video though, at the moment we have no idea if the guy on the floor is on the floor because he did try to go for the coppers gun. If he did, then i'm surprised he didn't just get shot.
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The only evidence we have is that prior to the firearm officer arriving 4 Police officers were injured by the individuals who are still not complying and still not in cuffs.

He didn’t take any risks.
 
Winston Smith said:
The only evidence we have is that prior to the firearm officer arriving 4 Police officers were injured by the individuals who are still not complying and still not in cuffs.

He didn’t take any risks.
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Was tasing the fella not enough though, I think is the point. Was the boot and the stamp actually necessary to reduce the threat of further violence?

I'm not sure it was. The bloke on the floor is hardly going to do an Ultimate Warrior and no sell being tasered.
 
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