Police Brutality

Winston Smith said:
He was being told to keep still and wasn’t. I don’t believe it’s red mist and more ensuring he doesn’t get into a wrestle/physical struggle with them. They’d already shown violence previously and with firearms they simply could not take that risk.
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I don’t believe he was, he had just been tasered, so yes of course he wasn’t entirely still, but on.

So explain the second guy who was getting to his knees with his hands behind his head as instructed and took a kick then punch to the back of the head…
 
BoroMart said:
I don’t believe he was, but on.

So explain the second guy who was getting to his knees with his hands behind his head as instructed and took a kick then punch to the back of the head…
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Once again, he was told to stay down and wasn’t listening. Come on, they’d injured 4 other Police officers. These weren’t pacifist making a peaceful protest. They were violent individuals with zero respect for the Police.
 
Winston Smith said:
Once again, he was told to stay down and wasn’t listening. Come on, they’d injured 4 other Police officers. These weren’t pacifist making a peaceful protest. They were violent individuals with zero respect for the Police.
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Allegedly. There’s also allegations of the police assaulting their mother as the start of this. No idea what’s true in any of that. But what is clear is if that cops foot had connected with that head as he intended, the guy would be in hospital with a fractured skull and potential brain damage, you never do that, ever.

I mean here’s another video from it, pepper sprayed without being violent
https://twitter.com/x/status/1816190741284282416
 
Hard to have a reasoned take when you see a short clip at the end of an incident.

It does seem to me that the guy that gets kicked hands stiffen at the same time his head comes up.
I’d wager that’s an involuntary reaction to being tased that the officer’s overreacted to.

That being said, it must be a really difficult job to do, especially if your colleague’s had their nose broken and you think there’s a chance of being disarmed (as I believe has been claimed)

Would be interested to see the full body cam footage.
 
If you've just tazered someone, and you think he's still a risk to you or your firearm...
Why move yourself closer to the individual to kick him in the head , and stamp on him ?
Surely you are moving yourself ( and your firearm) closer to the risk.

Kicking someone in the head and stamping on their head should see him in court, as it's not ' a defensible action to level of threat' response
 
Winston Smith said:
Once again, he was told to stay down and wasn’t listening. Come on, they’d injured 4 other Police officers. These weren’t pacifist making a peaceful protest. They were violent individuals with zero respect for the Police.
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I’ve just rewatched it, nope he was face down hands by his side getting tasered and then next thing kick to the face and attempted skull-cracking stomp.
 
outoftown said:
If you've just tazered someone, and you think he's still a risk to you or your firearm...
Why move yourself closer to the individual to kick him in the head , and stamp on him ?
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Excelllent point. The idea of a taser is once it’s connected, you can shock them again several times to take the fight out of them. There was simply no reason to go wading in if he believed him to be a danger still.
 
outoftown said:
If you've just tazered someone, and you think he's still a risk to you or your firearm...
Why move yourself closer to the individual to kick him in the head , and stamp on him ?
Surely you are moving yourself ( and your firearm) closer to the risk.

Kicking someone in the head and stamping on their head should see him in court, as it's not ' a defensible action to level of threat' response
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They’re trying to arrest these people that had already injured 4 other Police officers, I don’t think backing away from violent people is an option.
 
Winston Smith said:
They’re trying to arrest these people that had already injured 4 other Police officers, I don’t think backing away from violent people is an option.
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That’s not his point. His point is use the taser until it’s safe to approach. Hand your gun to a colleague before going in if you are worried it’ll be grabbed. Don’t try and fracture his skull. He needs to go on trial not in a wooden box
 
BoroMart said:
That’s not his point. His point is use the taser until it’s safe to approach. Hand your gun to a colleague before going in if you are worried it’ll be grabbed. Don’t try and fracture his skull. He needs to go on trial not in a wooden box
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It’s quite hard to debate when you’re using hyperbole like “try to fracture his skull”. It’s clear that this conversation is futile.
 
Winston Smith said:
They’re trying to arrest these people that had already injured 4 other Police officers, I don’t think backing away from violent people is an option.
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First fella was cuffed , tazered and face down.
Posing no imminent threat to anyone.

The injuries sustained previously don't matter in that moment if they aren't relevant to the in the moment risk assessment..
A grazed knee / bruised arm / etc will be documented as injuries btw .

If you work in any public service, your life needs to be in imminent danger to justify kicking a face down individual in the head , then stamping on their head.
Wasn't the case here .

Worked in more than enough places of elevated risk in public services..
Weirdly ... No one has ever justified kicking the head, then stamping on head of a restrained patient , who has assaulted staff .
 
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outoftown said:
First fella was cuffed , tazered and face down.
Posing no imminent threat to anyone.

The injuries sustained previously don't matter in that moment if they aren't relevant to the in the moment risk assessment..
A grazed knee / bruised arm / etc will be documented as injuries btw .

If you work in any public service, your life needs to be in imminent danger to justify kicking a face down individual in the head , stamping on their head.
Wasn't the case here .
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Of course they matter - they’re (the previous injuries) how they know they DO pose a risk.

The policeman not only mitigated the risk to himself but also ensured he didn’t need to use his firearm and therefore reducing the risk of the known violent individuals that they were attempting to arrest.
 
Ravs van said:
If someone broke my female colleagues nose I would also boot them in the face,
Twice. 👍🏻
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It would be a pretty sorry state of affairs if we let police violently assault people once incapacitated. Would you rather have a bunch of thugs as our police?

There is also a video showing highly inappropriate use of pava spray.

Those 2 are losing their jobs and likely facing arrest themselves.

As a police officer you don’t get to “lose it” . Even more worrying these are armed officers.
 
Winston Smith said:
Of course they matter - they’re (the previous injuries) how they know they DO pose a risk.
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They actually don't .
Otherwise we'd have loads of justification for carers booting nannas and grandad's in the head in dementia care .

Your actions , physically to an individual are about your current risk.
He might of banjo'd your colleague, but whilst he's face down , cuffed and tazered ..
He's not posing a risk , in the here and now , that justifies an action that would be a gbh/ affray / attempt murder on civvy street
 
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BoroMart said:
It’s pretty obvious the officer has lost it, he goes for the second guy who is being compliant too. Kicks him in the thigh then punches him in the back of the head.

This officer has an anger issue and needs sacking and jailing. Can’t have police taking justice into their own hands, that’s a slippery slope towards abuse of power, thuggery and eventually fascism
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100% unacceptable behaviour by the police officer, instant dismissal I hope
 
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