Pete Doherty, who killed my son?

[atypical_boro]

"Blanco had been due to appear in The Accidental Death of an Anarchist, a play by Dario Fo where the protagonist falls or is thrown to his death from the window of a police station."

on one hand you could see how that might make it look like he threw himself of the balcony.. but then writing a song called the Lost Art of Murder should ring a few alarm bells.. then filming it at the scene of where that guy died.. wtf..

Yeah, that is the sickening bit. Almost like OJ writing that 'If I did It....' book.

that guy Johnny was doing drug and was that unstable and coked up that he handed himself into a police station and confessed to a murder.. but it is not possible that he was that unstable and coked up that he did actually kill the guy. weirder still was that someone had already died from that flat in similar circumstances! LOCK EM ALL UP! dodgy as fook that pete doherty picks something off the floor next to the body of the guy that the woman with his says he ways dying.. then he steps over the body and runs off?

Indeed, they should probably all do time for it. At least until one of them sings about what really happened.

what was some daft little smack head doing with a bodyguard anyway? what does he need a bodyguard for? what does a bodyguard do? why hasn't he got a bodyguard now?

Have you seen him now? Hulk Hogan in his prime would struggle to body slam him.

Anyway, I suspect he'll be back in Southern France again for the long term, lying low and eating too much cheese to keep him off the crack. As a fan of his music the whole thing is very chilling to hear about. As someone said above, not sure I will be listening to Time For Heroes anytime soon.

 

[Nero]

Pete Doherty is and was a selfish b****d. The reason he runs away is he cares about himself more than anyone or anything.

 

[atypical_boro]

Pete Doherty is and was a selfish b****d. The reason he runs away is he cares about himself more than anyone or anything.

Well I'm sure that's true. But I think its probably also cos he wanted to avoid prison time. Hard to imagine how I'd react in the same situation, but I'm pretty sure I'd never be anywhere near the scenario in the first place.

 

[newyddion]

Yeah, that is the sickening bit. Almost like OJ writing that 'If I did It....' book.

Indeed, they should probably all do time for it. At least until one of them sings about what really happened.

Have you seen him now? Hulk Hogan in his prime would struggle to body slam him.

Anyway, I suspect he'll be back in Southern France again for the long term, lying low and eating too much cheese to keep him off the crack.

Cheese is the REAL crack!

I did't like pete doherty.. didn't really get the libertines.. wasn't really my thing tbh.. the strokes, the white stripes, the flaming lips, mercury rev, british sea power all much better.

 

[parmoboy]

Who did it/if it was done aside. You don't step over someone who has fallen from a balcony (who may still be saved) and run away unless you're an absolute bell. Not sure I'll be able to listen to his voice again without the cctv playing in my mind.

In fairness to Pete, it's been implied that he legged it immediately after discovering the body, but I don't think that's true.

There was another documentary on the subject, and at 5 mins 50 seconds Naomi speaks about him being shocked and upset at discovering Mark's body, and apparently he had to be told to leave the scene.

 

[Dybuk]

In fairness to Pete, it's been implied that he legged it immediately after discovering the body, but I don't think that's true.

There was another documentary on the subject, and at 5 mins 50 seconds Naomi speaks about him being shocked and upset at discovering Mark's body, and apparently he had to be told to leave the scene.

Thanks for that. You have to be so careful these days. Eveything has an angle and omits the bits that don;t support the narrative

 

[atypical_boro]

Thanks for that. You have to be so careful these days. Eveything has an angle and omits the bits that don;t support the narrative

Yep, the jury is still out for me.

Though there should be a jury.

 

[JackG]

what was some daft little smack head doing with a bodyguard anyway? what does he need a bodyguard for? what does a bodyguard do? why hasn't he got a bodyguard now?

He probably no longer needs one as he has become an enormous porker.

 

[atypical_boro]

It is interesting though that this is basically an unsolved murder, and a rock star/celebrity was present at his death. He may have been involved in it, or he may know what happened, but there isn't really any evidence that he DID it, none more so than the other 2 anyway. In fact there's significantly less evidence that Pete did it than Jonny Headlock. But C4 have chosen to name the programme after him, as if its only really important who killed him if its Pete Doherty. If it was just the other 2 who did it, who cares? That's almost how it comes across. Shows you how obsessed we are with celebrity/culture.

That said, there is something very chilling about that song. If he hadn't recorded that in the flat itself there'd be much less finger pointing I suspect.

 

[Merrykoala]

It is interesting though that this is basically an unsolved murder, and a rock star/celebrity was present at his death. He may have been involved in it, or he may know what happened, but there isn't really any evidence that he DID it, none more so than the other 2 anyway. In fact there's significantly less evidence that Pete did it than Jonny Headlock. But C4 have chosen to name the programme after him, as if its only really important who killed him if its Pete Doherty. If it was just the other 2 who did it, who cares? That's almost how it comes across. Shows you how obsessed we are with celebrity/culture.

That said, there is something very chilling about that song. If he hadn't recorded that in the flat itself there'd be much less finger pointing I suspect.

See also the Michael Barrymore pool party.

Most people didn't think he had anything to do directly with the guy drowning in the pool but his career never recovered. I think there's a level of responsibility attached to such a status that isn't always taken seriously, with Doherty a case could be made that anyone who hung around him knew what they were getting into and that he seemed to have little regard for his own well being never mind anyone else's. As someone else said, it's not a situation I could ever consider putting myself in but I've never been into drugs of any kind. I've been around people that are and seen what happens when people over indulge in 'recreational' stuff though.

 

[parmoboy]

It is interesting though that this is basically an unsolved murder, and a rock star/celebrity was present at his death. He may have been involved in it, or he may know what happened, but there isn't really any evidence that he DID it, none more so than the other 2 anyway. In fact there's significantly less evidence that Pete did it than Jonny Headlock. But C4 have chosen to name the programme after him, as if its only really important who killed him if its Pete Doherty. If it was just the other 2 who did it, who cares? That's almost how it comes across. Shows you how obsessed we are with celebrity/culture.

That said, there is something very chilling about that song. If he hadn't recorded that in the flat itself there'd be much less finger pointing I suspect.

I'd say it's highly unlikely that Pete was involved, or even saw what happened. At the same time, I think it's likely that he knows what happened.

I don't think they went with the title 'Pete Doherty, who Killed my son?' to imply that Pete was responsible, it's more about pressuring him to tell the truth. Using a celebs name also means it's likely to reach a wider audience.

I don't know, I'm finding it all a bit difficult to get my head around. I'm a massive fan, I've seen him live countless times and have met him a few times. He came across as a nice bloke and can appear as very good-hearted, despite how the media have portrayed him. I can still remember a young fan from Newcastle dying of cancer. Pete attended the funeral and played at the wake.

It surprises me that he hasn't ever come out and told the truth about what happened that night (if he actually does know). He's in a much better place these days and has cut ties with that scumbag Roundhill (who I think is at the centre of all this). There's still time for him to do the right thing.

 

[The_Lizards_Jumpers]

Reading Roundhill's wiki entry, it appears there was a second person to die after falling from a balcony in his flat 5 years earlier.

Paul Roundhill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Frankie Lee]

See also the Michael Barrymore pool party.

Most people didn't think he had anything to do directly with the guy drowning in the pool but his career never recovered. I think there's a level of responsibility attached to such a status that isn't always taken seriously, with Doherty a case could be made that anyone who hung around him knew what they were getting into and that he seemed to have little regard for his own well being never mind anyone else's. As someone else said, it's not a situation I could ever consider putting myself in but I've never been into drugs of any kind. I've been around people that are and seen what happens when people over indulge in 'recreational' stuff though.

Poor Michael Barrymore. His career ruined after someone is sexually assaulted and murdered at his house. You’ve got to feel for the bloke.

 

[Andy_W]

I was a big Libertines fan back then, and don't remember anything about this at all. Although saying that, there was a lot of talk about a lot of parties/ events.

If the UK and FBI experts on people falling, committing suicide, being pushed or being dropped out of windows say he was dropped, then he was dropped, it's that simple. Or he has to have been assumed as dropped, until they had stronger evidence saying otherwise.

People often forget that there are such experts in things like this, who have seen thousands of similar and varying incidents, and this is all they do. They can pick one from the other with ease, even from poor CCTV, they could probably pick out the floor and the height of fall and the close circumstance just by seeing the body on the floor and the injuries etc. Heck, they could even model it with ease now, for a 1000 different circumstances, and give out a probability, which would have been more difficult back then.

Some random cop on the scene who has never seen such an instance going "98% suicide", is an absolutely ludicrous mistake. Even if he had some evidence, saying something like this is just silly and there's zero gain.

Seems a bit of a coincidence that he was punched, and wasn't defensive going out the window, surely had either been knocked out and dropped out, or some daft clown saw him passed out and dropped him out. Been to enough parties with loads of people on gear (a norm for any party Pete will have been at, or any party from that scene at that time), and people passed out get messed with quite a lot, most of it way OTT looking back. Could have been something as daft as two lads thinking it's funny to throw a passed out lad off the balcony, it really does happen, and other things similar, more than people realise. Not very easy to throw someone off a balcony single handed, not where they go out head first etc.

 

[atypical_boro]

Reading Roundhill's wiki entry, it appears there was a second person to die after falling from a balcony in his flat 5 years earlier.

Paul Roundhill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes that was covered on the show.

 

[Merrykoala]

Poor Michael Barrymore. His career ruined after someone is sexually assaulted and murdered at his house. You’ve got to feel for the bloke.

I wasn't suggesting that Barrymore got a bad break with the whole episode, quite the contrary. I was saying that there's a degree of responsibility attached with fame. Barrymore has never come across as genuinely remorseful about what happened, rather he comes across more as though it's inconvenienced him, I don't believe he was directly involved in what happened though but I do think the poor guy would still be alive if he Barrymore had made better choices about who he hung around with and what he let happen under his roof.

 

[parmoboy]

Overall you could likely credit Doherty with the success and failure of the band, he attracted fans but for sure but ow many gigs did he fail to show up for? I do wonder if the adoration he received for being such a 'rebel' fed his ego and his direction that led to stuff like this happening, similar story with Russel Brand.

His upbringing more than likely shaped the person he became.

I read his book. His Dad was a major in the British army and was extremely strict. Pete almost suggested that he was bullied by his Dad, because his Dad resented the fact that he was sensitive and wrote poetry.

He had a middle-class upbringing and probably resented that, hence why he wanted a taste of the underworld and attached himself to dodgy characters.

 

[atypical_boro]

Could have been something as daft as two lads thinking it's funny to throw a passed out lad off the balcony, it really does happen, and other things similar, more than people realise.

Bloody hell, I didn't go to any parties like that! Me and a couple of mates once wrote the C word all over someone in permanent marker pen. We knew it would come off though.

In fairness, I think that did happen here (2 lads thinking throwing someone off a balcony is fun), I just think it was 2 or 3 of the 3 blokes mentioned who did it. Likely the police informant/flat owner and the knuckle dragger/'bodyguard'. But Pete will know that. The police probably do too.

 

[parmoboy]

I was a big Libertines fan back then, and don't remember anything about this at all. Although saying that, there was a lot of talk about a lot of parties/ events.

If the UK and FBI experts on people falling, committing suicide, being pushed or being dropped out of windows say he was dropped, then he was dropped, it's that simple. Or he has to have been assumed as dropped, until they had stronger evidence saying otherwise.

People often forget that there are such experts in things like this, who have seen thousands of similar and varying incidents, and this is all they do. They can pick one from the other with ease, even from poor CCTV, they could probably pick out the floor and the height of fall and the close circumstance just by seeing the body on the floor and the injuries etc. Heck, they could even model it with ease now, for a 1000 different circumstances, and give out a probability, which would have been more difficult back then.

Some random cop on the scene who has never seen such an instance going "98% suicide", is an absolutely ludicrous mistake. Even if he had some evidence, saying something like this is just silly and there's zero gain.

Seems a bit of a coincidence that he was punched, and wasn't defensive going out the window, surely had either been knocked out and dropped out, or some daft clown saw him passed out and dropped him out. Been to enough parties with loads of people on gear (a norm for any party Pete will have been at, or any party from that scene at that time), and people passed out get messed with quite a lot, most of it way OTT looking back. Could have been something as daft as two lads thinking it's funny to throw a passed out lad off the balcony, it really does happen, and other things similar, more than people realise. Not very easy to throw someone off a balcony single handed, not where they go out head first etc.

I doubt he passed out. He was kicked out and shortly afterwards he can be seen going back inside the building. Less than a minute after going back inside, he's seen falling from the balcony.

I'd say it's more likely he was beaten unconscious and then thrown from the balcony.

 

[atypical_boro]

I doubt he passed out. He was kicked out and shortly afterwards he can be seen going back inside the building. Less than a minute after going back inside, he's seen falling from the balcony.

I'd say it's more likely he was beaten unconscious and then thrown from the balcony.

Or someone has knocked him unconscious and he’s fallen off the balcony. I would actually doubt if Pete was capable of it.

Either way, hopefully Mark knew nothing about it. Just can’t imagine how his mother feels.