Parents job to feed their kids

Trug said:
" happy to be told otherwise "- But when you are told otherwise you don't seem happy at all.
I am sure you know that foodbanks exist because people don't have enough money to live off.
That people must be referred by a doctor or Social Services- Benefits Officers are not allowed to refer them as it seems like they are colluding with the government to use foodbanks as part of the benefit system.
Many children had free school meals which were a godsend to their parents- holiday times are a nightmare for their parents as they do not have enough money to feed all the family.
Many schools ran lunch clubs in holiday time- funded by the government- This funding was stopped.
Many schools still run breakfast clubs, often teachers paying for cereals and toast from their own pockets.
Now I have told you otherwise I hope you are happy.
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So there is support processes in place?
 
The trouble is many of us are in a fortunate position whereby it isn't even a question. Of course the first role of a parent is to be able to feed and warm their child. When I was a kid my dad was one of the few who took Norman tebbits advice and got on his bike and found a job when the shipyards closed around the North East, this meant we had to leave all our family behind and start again. For the whole of my life I will be grateful to my parents for doing this, not because we suddenly discovered a pot of gold at the end of an enchanted rainbow, but because it drilled in to me that sometimes life is **** and you have two choices, accept or fight for the ones you love most. I now return back home (as it will always be known despite leaving when I was 6) and I see where I used to live and families that we used to be friends with, now on their 4th generation of benefits, that cannot be down purely to austerity in my humble opinion.
 
The underlying truth is that if it wasn’t for the goodwill of others and charities then children would starve rather than be inadequately fed, charities have been hit hard during lockdown and are struggling to cope with the extra demand that the Covid situation has placed on resources.

The deferral of responsibility of any government to feed its people is beyond disgraceful, I remember in the 80’s people complaining about their been enough food to feed the drought affected areas of Africa but government corruption and greed was stopping it from happening, if that was the case then how can anyone not question the situation in the U.K. today ?
 
FatCat said:
Bur wasn’t one of the things the gvt u turned on was to pay school dinners during the holidays after the Rashford campaign. It’s easy to say oh it’s Tory austerity and I’m sure that is part of the case. However I still don’t see it there are so many places to go - they might not be ideal but if they mean you get fed then so be it.
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£15 a week doesn't go very far...
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
The trouble is many of us are in a fortunate position whereby it isn't even a question. Of course the first role of a parent is to be able to feed and warm their child. When I was a kid my dad was one of the few who took Norman tebbits advice and got on his bike and found a job when the shipyards closed around the North East, this meant we had to leave all our family behind and start again. For the whole of my life I will be grateful to my parents for doing this, not because we suddenly discovered a pot of gold at the end of an enchanted rainbow, but because it drilled in to me that sometimes life is **** and you have two choices, accept or fight for the ones you love most. I now return back home (as it will always be known despite leaving when I was 6) and I see where I used to live and families that we used to be friends with, now on their 4th generation of benefits, that cannot be down purely to austerity in my humble opinion.
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I am glad your dad made the move to get away from the area when he did. There really was no choice if you needed a wage. The myth that you espouse about the 4th generation on benefits is something that I would take issue with. Acccording to the Rowntree Foundation, they cannot find 3 generation that were on benefits, never mind 4 generations. This is one of the many untruths peddled by the Tories and their right wing masters. Please read the link.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths
 
I don't preach to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination and can only go on my own experience and where I grew up there are families that started on benefits in the early 80s when they lost jobs like my dad. This was then followed by their kids that are my age and had to go on benefits because again there was nothing for them to do, their children (which I didn't have till I was in my 30s) are on benefits and not working and their children are also (not sure if this makes three or four generations), I am sorry if this doesn't fit with your report but I can assure it is true, don't get me wrong there are also ones that have gone on to do great things with their lives despite the crap that has been thrown at them. I suppose what I was trying to say is, once you are in a rut it is very difficult to get out of it.
 
The parents that genuinely try their best for their kids and need help have my complete sympathy, the parents that choose to keep having kids knowing they can’t afford them or expect the system to pick up the tab not so much. Pretty sure my son would never go hungry even if I had to turn to crime to feed him. Covid has put me and my ex in the position that potentially both of us could lose our incomes, the prospect of not being able to provide for my boy has been more stressful than anything else.
 
UKLL1981 said:
The parents that genuinely try their best for their kids and need help have my complete sympathy, the parents that choose to keep having kids knowing they can’t afford them or expect the system to pick up the tab. Pretty sure my son would never go hungry even if I had to turn to crime to feed him.
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And what if you got caught and sent to prison? Who’d feed him then? Are you advocating turning to crime to feed a child, when there should be a Government safety net in place to ensure nobody goes hungry?
 
I didn't mean to be critical Pak and if it came across that way I am sorry. I too have been out of work and had to claim benefits. This made me very angry at how little help I got and the total loss of respect, and shame for my self, being made to feel like a thief trying to steal the crown jewels. So I do go on the defensive when I hear stories of how well off people on benefits are because I know for a fact they are lies. I didn't move away from the area but took jobs which meant being away from my family for long periods. These jobs were hard to come by as they were scarcer than a hens tooth.
Like you, I didn't become a father till I was in my 30's and I am so proud of my daughter. She does not live on Teesside as there is still nowt round here for her and thousands of other young people.
So yes, you and I do seem to have a bit in common and I apologise if I came across a bit sharp.
 
UKLL1981 said:
The parents that genuinely try their best for their kids and need help have my complete sympathy, the parents that choose to keep having kids knowing they can’t afford them or expect the system to pick up the tab not so much. Pretty sure my son would never go hungry even if I had to turn to crime to feed him. Covid has put me and my ex in the position that potentially both of us could lose our incomes, the prospect of not being able to provide for my boy has been more stressful than anything else.
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What do you want poorer parents to do?
Sell their kids to nice professional people to clean thier houses or send them up chimneys?
 
UKLL1981 said:
The parents that genuinely try their best for their kids and need help have my complete sympathy, the parents that choose to keep having kids knowing they can’t afford them or expect the system to pick up the tab not so much. Pretty sure my son would never go hungry even if I had to turn to crime to feed him. Covid has put me and my ex in the position that potentially both of us could lose our incomes, the prospect of not being able to provide for my boy has been more stressful than anything else.
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I really hope you do not lose your jobs. Being unemployed is bad enough. Claiming benefits for which you have paid for all your life is extremely stressful, baring your soul to complete strangers whose only aim is to get you off benefits and not necessarly into work.. I wish you both well.
 
UKLL1981 said:
The parents that genuinely try their best for their kids and need help have my complete sympathy, the parents that choose to keep having kids knowing they can’t afford them or expect the system to pick up the tab not so much. Pretty sure my son would never go hungry even if I had to turn to crime to feed him. Covid has put me and my ex in the position that potentially both of us could lose our incomes, the prospect of not being able to provide for my boy has been more stressful than anything else.
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Does that include the thousands of Steelworkers who once had decent jobs on Teesside - which were ripped off them by Thatcher and dumped on their arzes with now work? Should only the rich have kids or should we sterilise the working class - [nasty horrible people] - it is they after all who create the nations wealth, not the rich.
The poor are poor because the rich are rich.
It shouldnt be an issue in the sixth richest country on the planet.
 
r00fie1 said:
Does that include the thousands of Steelworkers who once had decent jobs on Teesside - which were ripped off them by Thatcher and dumped on their arzes with now work? Should only the rich have kids or should we sterilise the working class - [nasty horrible people] - it is they after all who create the nations wealth, not the rich.
The poor are poor because the rich are rich.
It shouldnt be an issue in the sixth richest country on the planet.
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Don't give em ideas...
 
Trug said:
I didn't mean to be critical Pak and if it came across that way I am sorry. I too have been out of work and had to claim benefits. This made me very angry at how little help I got and the total loss of respect, and shame for my self, being made to feel like a thief trying to steal the crown jewels. So I do go on the defensive when I hear stories of how well off people on benefits are because I know for a fact they are lies. I didn't move away from the area but took jobs which meant being away from my family for long periods. These jobs were hard to come by as they were scarcer than a hens tooth.
Like you, I didn't become a father till I was in my 30's and I am so proud of my daughter. She does not live on Teesside as there is still nowt round here for her and thousands of other young people.
So yes, you and I do seem to have a bit in common and I apologise if I came across a bit sharp.
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I graduated from the Poly in 1980 and the job I had lined up fell through as the company (Coles Cranes) was going out of business. I managed to get a job in London and, since then, I have worked in Aberdeen, Holland and the States. I never found anything back in the North East when I looked. I just feel so annoyed that I had to do that and now that I'm close to retiring, I'm looking forward to coming home. I was able to do this. How many are not in that position?
 
TheFair86 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-54047598

Sorry if already posted, had a quick scan. Outrageous comment no matter what his affiliation is, but no surprise he's conservative.
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What is so angering to me about this is that this no-mark MP doesn't need to get involved in a Twitter spat on this, but would rather spend his weekend sneering at people suggesting the effects of a decade of tory government is putting the poorest families (in this supposed land of plenty) in constant penury.

There's a plague of vicious ghoulish non-entities like Therese Coffey and Ben Bradley on the Conservative benches who would rather troll on twitter than look to make the country better, and they are cheered on by too many who seem to think people suffering is some kind of cold bucket of water they deserve to start bettering themselves. Dicks.

FatCat, you're too switched on to play this dumb.
 
Trug said:
I didn't mean to be critical Pak and if it came across that way I am sorry. I too have been out of work and had to claim benefits. This made me very angry at how little help I got and the total loss of respect, and shame for my self, being made to feel like a thief trying to steal the crown jewels. So I do go on the defensive when I hear stories of how well off people on benefits are because I know for a fact they are lies. I didn't move away from the area but took jobs which meant being away from my family for long periods. These jobs were hard to come by as they were scarcer than a hens tooth.
Like you, I didn't become a father till I was in my 30's and I am so proud of my daughter. She does not live on Teesside as there is still nowt round here for her and thousands of other young people.
So yes, you and I do seem to have a bit in common and I apologise if I came across a bit sharp.
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No problem Trug and I agree life for young uns at the minute doesn't look great, I wish your daughter the best of luck. I wasn't pouring scorn on those on benefits, as I said through a mixture of luck and hard work (I never under emphasise the luck element) the question of feeding my family has never been a question for me, but I understand for thousands it is. Clumsily I was trying to say who knows what situation I might have been in had my dad not left Middlesbrough all them years ago.
 
Laughing said:
I am going all out for a ban here - FatCat you are a c u n t
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Laughing - Im asking why we still have the problem when there seems on the face of it to be a number of support mechanisms in place. I’d also be interested in knowing the size of the problem. There seems to be gvt support and charitable support etc but still it seems not to be enough.
 
FatCat said:
Laughing - Im asking why we still have the problem when there seems on the face of it to be a number of support mechanisms in place. I’d also be interested in knowing the size of the problem. There seems to be gvt support and charitable support etc but still it seems not to be enough.
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Because the support mechanisms are completely inadequate and the process of claiming is difficult with many ways someone can have their benefits sanctioned.

You previously referenced the free school meals vouchers that ran during the COVID-19 period - do you think you could feed a child adequately for £15 a week?
 
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