Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine 'Safe and Effective'

1finny said:
But, banning him on here doesn’t stop that

People giving them ‘oxygen’ does the damage.
You are doing just that - let it go?
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I never said ban him I said remove posts that are clearly incorrect and

Now we find It affects people with allergies

is incorrect
 
I am not sure whether posts like this should be removed, but that aside, if everyone cleans house, every little helps, so to speak.
 
Laughing said:
I am not sure whether posts like this should be removed, but that aside, if everyone cleans house, every little helps, so to speak.
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He might be right tho?

I don’t believe it but, in this day and age, who the hell do we trust
 
He might be finny, but to give the same weight in an argument to both sides, in this particular debate, just doesn't make sense.

It's like the doctor joke at the minute. A paitient asks her GP "When will this pandemic be over?" to which the doctor replies "I don't know I am not a journalist!".

To apportion equal weight or indeed air time to everyone just doesn't make sense.
 
Laughing said:
He might be finny, but to give the same weight in an argument to both sides, in this particular debate, just doesn't make sense.

It's like the doctor joke at the minute. A paitient asks her GP "When will this pandemic be over?" to which the doctor replies "I don't know I am not a journalist!".

To apportion equal weight or indeed air time to everyone just doesn't make sense.
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Yep - agree
Just don’t agree that we should be encouraging censorship on FMTTM
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
We should trust this government in the same way we trusted them on Brexit and, no chance of a no deal, sunlit uplands and piles of money for the nhs 👍.
Rule Britannia
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Clearly regarding this matter, it is your comments that are for political purposes more than the Government. The science has been fully carried out. The 2 cases were people with severe allergy issues not mild allergies. Johnson is trusting the scientists on this not the other way round!!
 
1finny said:
Yep - agree
Just don’t agree that we should be encouraging censorship on FMTTM
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On balance, no I think censorship is generally a bad thing. My initial post was more to do with the post saying that this message board has no social impact. I was pointing out that if every board moderated then the cumulative impact would be much higher.

I disagree with censorship at a gut level, unless it is personally damaging, of course.
 
On a slightly different note, free speach used to be the domain of the left and there has been a recent shift and the right are claiming free speech as an inalianable right so they can spread toxic nonsense.

Unfortunately you either have free speach or you don't. I think it is better to have it than not.
 
Liamo said:
A couple of slight mischaracterisations, perhaps. These were not serious adverse reactions they were serious adverse events (SAE's) - there's a difference. For instance some of the adverse events were totally accidental occurrences like broken limbs that just happened to occur in trial participants.

Also the 3 you mention were not believed to be linked to "the" vaccine, they were possibly linked to "a" vaccine. One of the SAE's was in a person who received the MenACWY vaccine, not the Covid vaccine and one was in a volunteer who is still masked as to group allocation (so it's not known if they received the Covid vaccine or not).

It's also worth mentioning that subsequent to their SAE's, according to the Lancet paper, "All trial participants have recovered, or are in a stable or improving condition."
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Why would you record a broken limb surely that is irrelevant?
 
Why are people so keen to talk down this vaccine.

I don’t get it.
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It’s because in doing so they have to give some credit to the gvt which goes against the grain for many. Personally I think they should look beyond that and just appreciate it for what it is - a step back towards our old lifestyles and the saviour of many lives.
 
1finny said:
I agree
There i a ‘but‘ though

When the politicians were punching the sky with the ‘we are first we are brilliant‘ rheoric they told us everything was brilliant. ‘Rigorous’ approval process etc.

Now, it turns out these kinds of blips are ‘normal’ (and I believe that by the way).

What they should have done is said from the ‘off’ that we would learn more on the way as per any other vaccine - because that’s the truth.

In short too busy iwallowing in glory to be up front with us. Economical with the truth!

Some will now be more doubtful than before about taking the vaccine - that’s an avoidable situation.
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I’m not sure, if they had of said that at the outset would it have caused a panic stirred by the media resulting in people not wanting to take it. It’s hard to say which approach would have had the most impact.
 
FatCat said:
It’s because in doing so they have to give some credit to the gvt which goes against the grain for many. Personally I think they should look beyond that and just appreciate it for what it is - a step back towards our old lifestyles and the saviour of many lives.
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I'm not sure what credit the government can take out of this.
 
Laughing said:
On balance, no I think censorship is generally a bad thing. My initial post was more to do with the post saying that this message board has no social impact. I was pointing out that if every board moderated then the cumulative impact would be much higher.

I disagree with censorship at a gut level, unless it is personally damaging, of course.
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I am completely against censorship of any kind but that’s about opinion this is about a medical issue.
 
FatCat said:
Why are people so keen to talk down this vaccine.

I don’t get it.
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It’s because in doing so they have to give some credit to the gvt which goes against the grain for many. Personally I think they should look beyond that and just appreciate it for what it is - a step back towards our old lifestyles and the saviour of many lives.
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The 'government' did what exactly to get the vaccine?
Combined effort of scientists across Europe
 
FatCat said:
I’m not sure, if they had of said that at the outset would it have caused a panic stirred by the media resulting in people not wanting to take it. It’s hard to say which approach would have had the most impact.
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It is a tough one - for sure
But, in most circumstances it's best to be truthful.
When you have a government that lies for fun it just breeds more distrust if you aren't.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I am completely against censorship of any kind but that’s about opinion this is about a medical issue.
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Given the responses to his posts, I would suggest no one on here is taking what he says seriously. His remarks have been utterly rubbushed and perhaps he'll reflect on that, and others reading too. Would that have happened if his comments were removed?
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
All I’m saying is dr June raine (in charge of the vaccine in the uk) yesterday just announced in a blasé way, oh, if you have certain allergies then best not take this vaccine. Eh ? Guinea pigs comes to mind surely ?
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I don’t think you need to worry if you’re allergic to Guinea pigs ☺️
 
1finny said:
It’s because in doing so they have to give some credit to the gvt which goes against the grain for many. Personally I think they should look beyond that and just appreciate it for what it is - a step back towards our old lifestyles and the saviour of many lives.
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The 'government' did what exactly to get the vaccine?
Combined effort of scientists across Europe
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Ask yourself why we are in a position to be rolling out the first vaccine before anybody else and why we are at the top of the queue for the Oxford vaccine, these things didn’t happen by accident.
 
Capybara said:
I'm not sure what credit the government can take out of this.
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We wouldn’t be rolling out the vaccine now if it wasn’t for their actions, likewise we wouldn’t be getting the next vaccine as soon as it’s available so yes it’s the one thing the gvt have got right in all this.
 
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