Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine 'Safe and Effective'

bear66 said:
We'd have to wait a long time as Pfizer have only applied for emergency authorisation throughout the world
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Bear - seen the news on PCR false positives today from Cambridge Uni?
Most recently tracking at 18%.
 
coluka said:
This type of misinformation is unhelpful, frankly dangerous and for anyone believing it could be even life threatening. Canada, for example has approved it also. I understand you hate Johnson and the tories, thats fine, If you don’t trust the science, then you likely condemn more people to death than necessary and prolong the social misery we currently have.
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All I’m saying is dr June raine (in charge of the vaccine in the uk) yesterday just announced in a blasé way, oh, if you have certain allergies then best not take this vaccine. Eh ? Guinea pigs comes to mind surely ?
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Because it’s clearly been rushed through and even the medical community are trying to defend it.
If it was done at the correct time and given the amount of scrutiny required then it would’ve been accepted elsewhere
Johnson just wanted some good news ahead of his no deal
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This needs to be stamped out on here. Literally no knowledge of the process but telling everyone how its “rushed” “unsafe” and all political

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We should trust this government in the same way we trusted them on Brexit and, no chance of a no deal, sunlit uplands and piles of money for the nhs 👍.
Rule Britannia
 
Cooper671 said:
Obsessed. The thread had nothing to do with Brexit. Stick to a brexit thread for your misinformation and scaremongering
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So, our government ministers can spread misinformation all over the place about this ‘oven ready deal’ not being really about a trade deal (what we’re the public thinking!) and I’m supposed to not say anything about a new vaccine that suddenly people who have allergies can’t take.
And have some reservations about it and this governments motives for wanting some’good’ news before a great big piece of bad news. No deal Brexit!

I’ll have my say thanks. Just like ministers peddle their’agenda’ (lies) on a daily basis.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
So, our government ministers can spread misinformation all over the place about this ‘oven ready deal’ not being really about a trade deal (what we’re the public thinking!) and I’m supposed to not say anything about a new vaccine that suddenly people who have allergies can’t take.
And have some reservations about it and this governments motives for wanting some’good’ news before a great big piece of bad news. No deal Brexit!

I’ll have my say thanks. Just like ministers peddle their’agenda’ (lies) on a daily basis.
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You’ve already been told its not “allergies” its severe allergic reactions with a known history. Your making out if your allergic to the cat you can’t have it
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
We should trust this government in the same way we trusted them on Brexit and, no chance of a no deal, sunlit uplands and piles of money for the nhs 👍.
Rule Britannia
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Ok let’s me be clear it’s not this government aaagh why do people keep saying that this govt made this vaccine they didn’t look at Canada.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Rob can we please get rid of this dangerous propaganda.

As it’s just wrong
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Agree. BoroFur starts a good news thread (for most straight forward thinking people) and its hijacked by conspiracy theories around Brexit
 
1finny said:
Bear - seen the news on PCR false positives today from Cambridge Uni?
Most recently tracking at 18%.
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Link. I'm stunned that there were only 500 positives in 150000 tests in July. It should have been 22,500 plus real positives.
 
Zorro, whilst not arguing against the efficacy or dangers of the vaccine anaphylaxis is a fairly sever problem in the UK, it has increased about 700% since the 90's. It's about 1 in 10,000 in the UK.

I believe the increase is largely in children, which, given they are at less risk from covid-19, is probably significant in terms of weighing the dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the virus. It is, however, not an insignificant portion of thepopulation. I would also assume that doctors and medical proffessionals would advise on this.

Given that the vulnerability has been identified, and I believe the Pfizer vaccine has the same problem, it can be managed.

It is not misinformation though Zorro, it just has to be understood in context.
 
1finny said:
It really isn’t
Its a bloke on an FMTTM message board whose views will have no impact on others apart from those getting wound up by them
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I sometimes think some on here think that their views on a football message board carry some weight with the mass population. And by blasting every thread with an endless tantrum of
anti-government nonsense will make a difference. It won't.
 
Laughing said:
Zorro, whilst not arguing against the efficacy or dangers of the vaccine anaphylaxis is a fairly sever problem in the UK, it has increased about 700% since the 90's. It's about 1 in 10,000 in the UK.

I believe the increase is largely in children, which, given they are at less risk from covid-19, is probably significant in terms of weighing the dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the virus. It is, however, not an insignificant portion of thepopulation. I would also assume that doctors and medical proffessionals would advise on this.

Given that the vulnerability has been identified, and I believe the Pfizer vaccine has the same problem, it can be managed.

It is not misinformation though Zorro, it just has to be understood in context.
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Good point and no argument there my issue was a poster using the phrase

People with allergies

Which just is not the case.

Yes there is an issue a very minor one in a very small % of the population but as you it’s being addressed.

All vaccines and indeed all medicines have a risk and reward factor but that’s medicine it’s not unique to this or any other vaccine.

It’s also this bizarre linking with it with a sinister Brexit plot that just baffles me.
 
HundredRoom said:
I sometimes think some on here think that their views on a football message board carry some weight with the mass population. And by blasting every thread with an endless tantrum of
anti-government nonsense will make a difference. It won't.
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I disagree as studies have shown social media can be a very powerful influencer ( not on here by the i never meant that) so if that poster then goes on say twitter or face book etc and extols this same view then yes it can cause harm.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I disagree as studies have shown social media can be a very powerful influencer ( not on here by the i never meant that) so if that poster then goes on say twitter or face book etc and extols this same view then yes it can cause harm.
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But, banning him on here doesn’t stop that

People giving them ‘oxygen’ does the damage.
You are doing just that - let it go?
 
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