Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine 'Safe and Effective'

FatCat said:
The 'government' did what exactly to get the vaccine?
Combined effort of scientists across Europe
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Ask yourself why we are in a position to be rolling out the first vaccine before anybody else and why we are at the top of the queue for the Oxford vaccine, these things didn’t happen by accident.
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I don’t think its important to get the vaccine first. If we are first to finish I’ll be delighted to consider where the thanks for that ought to go.
I’m happy to have a side bet (for charity) that we will be nowhere near first to finish despite the head start.
 
1finny said:
Ask yourself why we are in a position to be rolling out the first vaccine before anybody else and why we are at the top of the queue for the Oxford vaccine, these things didn’t happen by accident.
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I don’t think its important to get the vaccine first. If we are first to finish I’ll be delighted to consider where the thanks for that ought to go.
I’m happy to have a side bet (for charity) that we will be nowhere near first to finish despite the head start.
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I’m not so sure there is a finish as such, the point is we will have a plentiful supply of the vaccine and we have already started vaccinating - point being we are in as good as a position of any gvt in the world and that’s due to gvt actions at the start of the outbreak. This gvt have been roundly criticised and rightly so but on this issue they have outperformed everybody - I can see that and say it, sadly some can’t.
 
FatCat said:
I don’t think its important to get the vaccine first. If we are first to finish I’ll be delighted to consider where the thanks for that ought to go.
I’m happy to have a side bet (for charity) that we will be nowhere near first to finish despite the head start.
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I’m not so sure there is a finish as such, the point is we will have a plentiful supply of the vaccine and we have already started vaccinating - point being we are in as good as a position of any gvt in the world and that’s due to gvt actions at the start of the outbreak. This gvt have been roundly criticised and rightly so but on this issue they have outperformed everybody - I can see that and say it, sadly some can’t.
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I see what I see, you see what you see - lets not get into whose eyesight is better.

This is what I saw and heard from our government -
‘We are first because of brexit (a lie) and because we have the best scientists (jingoistic nonsense).
So, no - I won‘t congratulate them

You are happy to congratulate them under those circumstance - fair enough

If they had played it differently i.e honestly, I would have been really happy to say ‘well done’
 
I think the benefit of what they have done here far outweighs the fact a couple of MPs were trying to make some political capital out of it.
 
FatCat said:
I think the benefit of what they have done here far outweighs the fact a couple of MPs were trying to make some political capital out of it.
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It wasn't just a couple of MPs though. It was cabinet ministers, including the health secretary. Lying.
 
And that interview where Gavin Williamson went all hardcore jingoistic about we got the vaccine because we have the best scientists and are the best country

Horrible, and just so lacking in respect for the combined efforts of scientists around Europe
 
1finny said:
And that interview where Gavin Williamson went all hardcore jingoistic about we got the vaccine because we have the best scientists and are the best country

Horrible, and just so lacking in respect for the combined efforts of scientists around Europe
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To be fair that’s just Gavin Williamson isn’t he’s an **** remember when he threatened Putin.

I hate this govt as much as anyone but it doesn’t lessen how great this vaccine news is.
 
FatCat said:
Why would you record a broken limb surely that is irrelevant?
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It's a measure of how rigorous the standards for these trials are, especially when it comes to assessing safety. All adverse events have to be reported and any serious ones checked, just in case they might somehow be linked to the vaccine.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
So now anyone who has allergies shouldn’t take it. That’s about xxx millions of people !!!
Jesus, I thought this was a rigorous test regime
How can they tell the country this after the 1st day!
Confidence is waining for me
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That's absolutely not what was said. It's only people with a known history of severe allergic reactions that should avoid taking it, and only for the time being until more data is available.

The two women that had an allergic reaction weren't just people who suffered from "allergies" in general or in some sort of commonplace, mild fashion, they were people who were known to have previously suffered severe allergic reactions to various things, including to vaccines.

That's why, when they went in to get the vaccine, they went prepared with their own auto-injectors and were perfectly fine after using them, as they had expected they would probably have to. The medical staff with them were also forewarned and standing by just in case.
 
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zorro_mfc said:
To be fair that’s just Gavin Williamson isn’t he’s an **** remember when he threatened Putin.

I hate this govt as much as anyone but it doesn’t lessen how great this vaccine news is.
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I agree - the vaccine is great news
Also agree ref Williamson - but he is viewed as being a Minister fit to represent the government.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Because it’s clearly been rushed through and even the medical community are trying to defend it.
If it was done at the correct time and given the amount of scrutiny required then it would’ve been accepted elsewhere
Johnson just wanted some good news ahead of his no deal
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It's been accepted by every regulatory authority that's actually got around to looking at it so far. That's the UK and Canada so far, and the USFDA advisory committee that just met yesterday, has also recommended its approval.

The application for Emergency Use Authorisation was submitted to the various regulatory authorities on the same date.

The MHRA just happened to be the first such body to schedule a review meeting.

For example, some medical experts, such as Dr John Campbell, have been scathing about what they see as an incomprehensible decision by the European Medical Authority to not even consider meeting to discuss granting an EUA until December 29.

As he points out, by waiting almost a month, they are undoubtedly costing lives.
 
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Liamo someone had to be first to approve, its the nature of time and a consequence of how it passes.

I would also have thought, but I don't know, that all trial information and approval decisions are in the public domain. This means anyone who wants can go and look at the process and decision making behind that process and decide for themselves whether they think it is safe for them to take.

Alternatively speak to your GP as he is more likely to fully understand the process and can put your mind at ease around the risks, which there will be some. Given your medical history your GP will be able to advise on the likelihood of an adverse reaction.

This is what we should all be doing, but generally don't as we trust our GP's not to inject us with something that is more likely to harm than heal.

Also, and this has been said previously, by the time most of us get round to being vaccinated it is likely to be approved around the world, and if any countries medical proffession reject it then re-evaluate your decision.

One final thought, and I believe everyone should have the choice of taking part in a vaccination porogramme or not, but.. Imagine the uproar if the rest of the world was taking the vaccine and our government decided not to bother, or we were a third world country who couldn't afford it?

Make a balanced decision that feels right for each of you, but bear in mind the above whilst making that decision.
 
Cooper671 said:
Obsessed. The thread had nothing to do with Brexit. Stick to a brexit thread for your misinformation and scaremongering
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Some people are so obsessed with hating Brexit and Johnson they blame it for everything. The MHRA is wholly independent and to defame their excellent Chair is outrageous
 
bear66 said:
Trial to start to mix and match the Oxford and Russian Sputnik vaccine.

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I saw that and call me paranoid and I thought so the Russians it’s want to get hold of the Oxford vaccine. Is their vaccine as effective as suggested. Like I say call me paranoid!
 
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