Our next seven games.

Scrug

Scrug

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Stoke (H)
West Brom (A)
Watford (A)
Bristol (H)
Sheff Utd (H)
Norwich (A)
Coventry (H)

21 points to play for, we’re already 3 points off the play-off places and 7 behind the automatics.

That’s a tough run that. If we don’t get a decent return from those games we could be out of it by November.
 
Scrug said:
Stoke (H)
West Brom (A)
Watford (A)
Bristol (H)
Sheff Utd (H)
Norwich (A)
Coventry (H)

21 points to play for, we’re already 3 points off the play-off places and 7 behind the automatics.

That’s a tough run that. If we don’t get a decent return from those games we could be out of it by November.
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Out of what?

I don’t think we’ll be out of it until March at the earliest.
 
atypical_boro said:
Out of what?

I don’t think we’ll be out of it until March at the earliest.
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The play off picture. Our poor start last year proved to be our undoing when we couldn’t close the gap.

Same could happen if we don’t get a decent return here.
 
Scrug said:
Stoke (H)
West Brom (A)
Watford (A)
Bristol (H)
Sheff Utd (H)
Norwich (A)
Coventry (H)

21 points to play for, we’re already 3 points off the play-off places and 7 behind the automatics.

That’s a tough run that. If we don’t get a decent return from those games we could be out of it by November.
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Stoke L horrible bogey team
West brom.L Flying
Watford D if were lucky
Bristol D did us last season another bogey side
Sheff U. W. Fûck you wilder
Norwich L another flying
Coventry D another bogey team
 
Glover_elbow said:
Stoke L horrible bogey team
West brom.L Flying
Watford D if were lucky
Bristol D did us last season another bogey side
Sheff U. W. Fûck you wilder
Norwich L another flying
Coventry D another bogey team
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I think we’ll beat Stoke, there needs to be a reaction and a response to the 5 - 0.

Can’t see us getting anything from WBA.

Depends which Watford turn up, but another tough game. I’d go for a draw.

Bristol. We always seem to struggle, can see maybe another draw.

Unless we drastically improve over the next few weeks can’t see us getting anything from Sheff Utd, Norwich and Coventry either.

That would mean 5 points out of a possible 21. And before somebody quotes me and claims that’s negative. We’ve took 8 points from a possible 18 against significantly worse opposition.
 
So even though we’ve had a better start, points-wise than last year, after this set of games we could easily have a worse points total after the same amount of games
 
To be perfectly honest if we don't win 2 of the 3 games next week it should be time for Carrick to go in the international break before we lose too much ground
 
Scrug said:
The play off picture. Our poor start last year proved to be our undoing when we couldn’t close the gap.

Same could happen if we don’t get a decent return here.
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It would take a lot to be out of the play-off picture with 6 months of the season to go.

I expect this season to be like most others. Good spells, bad spells. Probably guaranteed top 8-10 and if we can get it together towards the end then we’ll make top 6.
 
I wonder if some people have watched the Championship before when reading threads like this and others since Saturday!!

Every game is tough. We won’t be out of anything to well after Christmas. The league can turn on its head in a week. All teams have a rocky spell.

Calm down dears!!!
 
I thought we had the easiest start to a season in many a year. Played teams who are not going to be top six but could only beat two of them. I really hoped at this point we would be flying with 13+ points.
It’s not just the next six games that worry me. Our December is as hard as it gets - two games against Burnley plus Leeds. If we are languishing in bottom half of the table at the start of the year we could well see a change in management.
 
Scrug said:
Stoke (H)
West Brom (A)
Watford (A)
Bristol (H)
Sheff Utd (H)
Norwich (A)
Coventry (H)

21 points to play for, we’re already 3 points off the play-off places and 7 behind the automatics.

That’s a tough run that. If we don’t get a decent return from those games we could be out of it by November.
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That is a tough run, but we need to stay within 6 points at worst of play offs through that. So we might need 12 points from 7 games. Need to start against Stoke with an improved result and 90 min performance and go from there.
 
We get, say, 7 points from the next 7 games (e.g. 2 wins ,1 draw, 4 losses) and we're on 15 points after 13 games. Seems not unlikely right now. That is five points behind where we were last season after 13 games despite our worst ever start in the second tier. At that point, really serious questions get asked about Carrick's position. Even if we go along at our current rate, say 10 points from our next 7 games (3 wins, 1 draw, 3 losses) that still puts us 2 points behind the same time last season and struggling to reach the playoffs.

We need 14 points from the next 7 games just to reach comfortable playoff form. That's 4 wins, 2 draws and only 1 loss. It's going to take a significant turnaround to do that.

Barring an absolute disaster or Carrick walking, there's no way the club is ending the Carrick era before we've mathematically missed the play-offs but I'm pretty sure we're already making contingencies.

That said, if we go into the January window losing touch with the play-offs then I see ELL going and possibly Hackney as well. If that happens, all bets are off.
 
Bruce said:
We get, say, 7 points from the next 7 games (e.g. 2 wins ,1 draw, 4 losses) and we're on 15 points after 13 games. Seems not unlikely right now. That is five points behind where we were last season after 13 games despite our worst ever start in the second tier.
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That's catastrophising again. It is unlikely that we will average 1 point per game over the next 7, that our results will not only continue to be underwhelming, but actually dip rather than improve. You are painting a worst case scenario. We've dominated most games, and have some good players, at some point the tide will turn and we willg et the results to match the stats.

Our biggest problem is scoring right now. Lath hasn't scored in open play, Azaz, Jones, Burgzorg and Hackney have had 57 shots between them and failed to score. That can't continue. They either start to get the goals to support Conway, or we get them out the side and give Forss, McGree, Doak, Hamilton a go.

At some point, it'll click and the goals will flow and the points will come along with it.
 
Bruce said:
We get, say, 7 points from the next 7 games (e.g. 2 wins ,1 draw, 4 losses) and we're on 15 points after 13 games. Seems not unlikely right now. That is five points behind where we were last season after 13 games despite our worst ever start in the second tier. At that point, really serious questions get asked about Carrick's position. Even if we go along at our current rate, say 10 points from our next 7 games (3 wins, 1 draw, 3 losses) that still puts us 2 points behind the same time last season and struggling to reach the playoffs.

We need 14 points from the next 7 games just to reach comfortable playoff form. That's 4 wins, 2 draws and only 1 loss. It's going to take a significant turnaround to do that.

Barring an absolute disaster or Carrick walking, there's no way the club is ending the Carrick era before we've mathematically missed the play-offs but I'm pretty sure we're already making contingencies.

That said, if we go into the January window losing touch with the play-offs then I see ELL going and possibly Hackney as well. If that happens, all bets are off.
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Excellent post, but I wouldn't forecast any permutation from those 7 results.
How can you in this crazy league, or with our uncertain team?
 
The negativity on here is energy sapping.

We are 6 games into the season and some people are throwing in the towel already.

If the doom merchants above are right and we can't get more than 5 points from the next 7 games, why even bother talking about the playoffs? There's no point finishing top 6 if we don't think we can beat any of the teams in the playoffs.
 
Bruce said:
We need 14 points from the next 7 games just to reach comfortable playoff form. That's 4 wins, 2 draws and only 1 loss. It's going to take a significant turnaround to do that.
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It doesn't require a significant turnaround at all. We just need to turn one defeat into one win (W3, D2, L1 vs W2, D2, L1) and then win the 7th game at the end of the sequence.
 
WilliamMunny said:
It doesn't require a significant turnaround at all. We just need to turn one defeat into one win (W3, D2, L1 vs W2, D2, L1) and then win the 7th game at the end of the sequence.
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But you have said exactly what Bruce said in that it would take 4 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat from the next 7.
He rightly says that is quite the turnaround. You say its not significant at all?

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if we won all our home matches in that sequence.
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if we continued our disappointing sequence either.

Carrick needs to find his best team/group of 15.
I don't think he has a clue what that is just now.
 
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