Omicron

Muttley said:
Look up the word "Pandemic". This isn't "normal", not even close, but we'll get back there, wearing a bit of cloth on yerr fizzog and proving you are vaccinated or uninfected before entering a football ground or gig is not an erosion of your human rights.
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Have an opinion thats fine. But dont edit a post of mine and then reply. It looks like youre quoting me and i didnt start my post with "whinge, whinge, whinge". sign post me to a thread where ive "whinged" about this or any other topic. Get your facts right.
 
It's not only their education, I read that 190 kids were killed at home during lockdown and hundreds of others abused. Not to mention the thousands of women abused by their partners in the household. There is already a mental health crisis sweeping this country due to essential services being closed down. I strongly do not believe this is a price worth paying, the cure in this case is definitely worse than the cause.
 
What is the best plan for rising cases, that led to the last 2 previous lockdowns?

I always struggle to work out what we should be doing differently? I often find those campaigning to stop vaccine passports/ masking/ distancing are also greatly against locking down.

What is the best plan to manage this?
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Have an opinion thats fine. But dont edit a post of mine and then reply. It looks like youre quoting me and i didnt start my post with "whinge, whinge, whinge". sign post me to a thread where ive "whinged" about this or any other topic. Get your facts right
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Point i was making wasnt about the inconvenience of wearing a mask. Point im making is that society as a whole has accepted that as "normal". I wear a mask when required but wearing a mask to shop, passport to go here or there, vaccine and booster. Thats not "normal", its imo an exceptional and draconian response to something. For example the poster earlier in the thread; unvaccinated was fine after a few days. Ok, thats just one person and not necessarily represantative of an entire population but whos to say vaccinated are when they still get it and pass it on. You? Smalltown? Zzz? I dont think so
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Whos being a snowflake or being upset? Im stating a fact. You and others, zzz for example seem to get facts and opinion regularly confused and mistakenly believe that you have the right to tell others what to do, advocate for the removal of basic rights and somehow have it in your heads that youre some sort of avatar or ombudsman of social morals. No offence but youre a bunch of idiots
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They are playing for a team now, simple as that, I am afraid.
 
Muttley said:
Always nice to have a reasoned argument...

You used the present tense about the deprivation of education. You are of course right some kids missed out on several months of their education last year.

No. Do you have the numbers? I know that nearly 150,000 families have lost someone to COVID in this country and (according to estimates in The Economist) something in the region of 20,000,000 worldwide.

What are you proposing? I'm struggling to understand what you think we should be doing. No masks, free association? What do you want to do?
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www.telegraph.co.uk

‘Biggest cancer catastrophe ever’ to hit NHS as up to 740,000 potential cases missed

‘Devastating’ situation for patients, as waiting lists set to rise further and medics fear that ‘more people will die who don’t need to’
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Randy said:
Patton?

🤣

**** me Fabio, he's been of the most central based stats guys throughout. You are letting your dislike of people blind you.
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Honestly, if you’ve seen anything beyond his daily collation of stats, which is reasonable (and designed to suck people into thinking he’s just a nice, honest religious guy correlating the daily figures for everyone) and still believe he’s decent then you are so deep into the dark I can’t help you. He’s part of HART… that should have you running a mile for starters.

It’s not for me to get you out of the rabbit hole, I’m giving up on that one and you’ll need to find the truth for yourself.
You need to start thinking about these groups a little harder and looking into their claims and the way they misrepresent data and cherry pick fringe studies to make their point while ignoring all other majority science.
I will say that you are being played like a fiddle by these people. If you believe the likes of Patton who is aligned with Craig, Smalley, Yeadon, JHB etc are covid central, then they’ve won. Their job is literally to spread misinformation and sew doubt about vax and to do it in a subtle way in order to fool decent people. Don’t be one of those decent people. Start looking a little harder and not just at the people who tell you what you want to hear.
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Sad how far we've fallen apart when mask wearing, a passport to go anywhere of significance and isolating is considered a normal way of life.
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That wasn't what I said though, you are misrepresenting what I said.

I'm not happy wearing a mask, I have asthma and F***ing hate it, but I try to listen to the advice from the scientists and if they are correct then my mask wearing may prevent someone else from catching an illness that may kill them.

If in 18 months time the scientists come out and say they were wrong and mask wearing made no difference has it really had a negative impact on my life... no it hasn't really.

My point which I assumed was obvious from my post is that most of us can still continue with a pretty normal life. I can go to the pub, visit family, go the cinema, shops etc. The current restrictions aren't really restricting anything.

I've been to the types of places I mentioned above recently and its clear that a large percentage of people are refusing to wear masks now so where are they being restricted? If they are anti vaccination all they have to do is provide a negative test status to enter certain places, is that a great hardship to keep others safe? Hell, they could even fake a lateral flow test if they are that precious about not being 'controlled' by the government.

Of course things may get worse with restrictions but we've had it pretty good the last 6 months or so, clearly better than most countries in terms of our freedom.
 
I wish people like SmallTown would get it into their head - insulting others and using terms like 'snowflake' is not suddenly going to get someone to come around to their point of view. How is someone going to take his opinion on board when you're insulting someone from almost the first line of your message? You've put them on the defensive from the start and they'll push back on that.

If people want to convince others to change their beliefs then they need to talk to them and show how their assumptions are wrong. Not insult them. Until then nothing is going to change and their attitude is going to do more harm than good. Infuriates me how counterproductive people like him are.
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Have an opinion thats fine. But dont edit a post of mine and then reply. It looks like youre quoting me and i didnt start my post with "whinge, whinge, whinge". sign post me to a thread where ive "whinged" about this or any other topic. Get your facts right.
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Perhaps I have misinterpreted your meaning from the post I was replying to
Ted_DN38416 said:
Sad how far we've fallen apart when mask wearing, a passport to go anywhere of significance and isolating is considered a normal way of life.
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And I'm sorry but you need to be more careful because I still can't see "sad how far we've fallen apart" as anything but a whinge. But, you are right my reply was unfair and reactive, and I apologise for that.

I don't think anyone is happy to be heading for what looks like another lockdown of some sort or other. But what I do not see is an alternative strategy being suggested. Uncle Rico and others on here mention the impact falling on those with mental health problems, with domestic violence, with cancer treatment and many others waiting for operations and treatments for all manner of life shortening and debilitating problems, all of which are valid concerns. What no one mentioning these concerns seems to be able to do is to suggest what we SHOULD be doing rather than whinging about what is being done. All through this pandemic our government has failed to show any competence, care or being anything other than reactive and often reacting too late and by inaction making the problems worse.

When you cannot suggest what would be done as an alternative to mask wearing, vaccine passports, testing then I am sorry but you are simply whinging.
 
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft said:
I wish people like SmallTown would get it into their head - insulting others and using terms like 'snowflake' is not suddenly going to get someone to come around to their point of view. How is someone going to take his opinion on board when you're insulting someone from almost the first line of your message? You've put them on the defensive from the start and they'll push back on that.

If people want to convince others to change their beliefs then they need to talk to them and show how their assumptions are wrong. Not insult them. Until then nothing is going to change and their attitude is going to do more harm than good. Infuriates me how counterproductive people like him are.
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100%. This is as much a battle of hearts and minds as it is science such is the level of fatigue many have 2 years in. To win the battle we need to listen and understand the other point of view rather than preach in piety, only then can you persuade and influence. Calling people stupid because they don't tow your line proves something of the poster, not the reader
 
Muttley said:
Perhaps I have misinterpreted your meaning from the post I was replying to

And I'm sorry but you need to be more careful because I still can't see "sad how far we've fallen apart" as anything but a whinge. But, you are right my reply was unfair and reactive, and I apologise for that.

I don't think anyone is happy to be heading for what looks like another lockdown of some sort or other. But what I do not see is an alternative strategy being suggested. Uncle Rico and others on here mention the impact falling on those with mental health problems, with domestic violence, with cancer treatment and many others waiting for operations and treatments for all manner of life shortening and debilitating problems, all of which are valid concerns. What no one mentioning these concerns seems to be able to do is to suggest what we SHOULD be doing rather than whinging about what is being done. All through this pandemic our government has failed to show any competence, care or being anything other than reactive and often reacting too late and by inaction making the problems worse.

When you cannot suggest what would be done as an alternative to mask wearing, vaccine passports, testing then I am sorry but you are simply whinging.
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Careful? Whinging would be repeatedly, dispropotianately and unreasonably conplaining. Thats not what ive done. Yiu seem to be implying that we need to be careful about stating facts. With the greatest of respect maybe its yourself that needs to be more careful. As youve said, you replied to a post without understanding its message, misquoted someone and labelled them all at the same time. But thanks for the apology
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Careful? Whinging would be repeatedly, dispropotianately and unreasonably conplaining. Thats not what ive done. Yiu seem to be implying that we need to be careful about stating facts. With the greatest of respect maybe its yourself that needs to be more careful. As youve said, you replied to a post without understanding its message, misquoted someone and labelled them all at the same time. But thanks for the apology
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I apologised. But failure to communicate works both ways.
 
Uwefuchs said:
That wasn't what I said though, you are misrepresenting what I said.

I'm not happy wearing a mask, I have asthma and F***ing hate it, but I try to listen to the advice from the scientists and if they are correct then my mask wearing may prevent someone else from catching an illness that may kill them.

If in 18 months time the scientists come out and say they were wrong and mask wearing made no difference has it really had a negative impact on my life... no it hasn't really.

My point which I assumed was obvious from my post is that most of us can still continue with a pretty normal life. I can go to the pub, visit family, go the cinema, shops etc. The current restrictions aren't really restricting anything.

I've been to the types of places I mentioned above recently and its clear that a large percentage of people are refusing to wear masks now so where are they being restricted? If they are anti vaccination all they have to do is provide a negative test status to enter certain places, is that a great hardship to keep others safe? Hell, they could even fake a lateral flow test if they are that precious about not being 'controlled' by the government.

Of course things may get worse with restrictions but we've had it pretty good the last 6 months or so, clearly better than most countries in terms of our freedom.
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Disagree. Im not misrepresenting what youve said. Im pointing out that things such as masks,passports, vaccines are accepted as a requirement to lead a normal life and be a welcomed member of society and anyone who doesnt share this opinion is stigmatised if not overtly discriminated. Youve even reinforced this in your reply. For example; "all they have to do is provide a negative test" or things may get worse with restrictions but we've had a good six month". Its frightening the level of control some on here are prepared to accept over mundane and fundamental aspects of daily life. It diesnt matter if its a minor inconvenience or not. Its become our reality and people are actually advocating for it. Baffling
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
Disagree. Im not misrepresenting what youve said. Im pointing out that things such as masks,passports, vaccines are accepted as a requirement to lead a normal life and be a welcomed member of society and anyone who doesnt share this opinion is stigmatised if not overtly discriminated. Youve even reinforced this in your reply. For example; "all they have to do is provide a negative test" or things may get worse with restrictions but we've had a good six month". Its frightening the level of control some on here are prepared to accept over mundane and fundamental aspects of daily life. It diesnt matter if its a minor inconvenience or not. Its become our reality and people are actually advocating for it. Baffling
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We're in the middle of a pandemic ffs, what is your suggestion to get back to normal then?
 
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