Omicron

It’s starting to look more concrete 🤞🏻🤞🏻

3 separate studies in Scotland, England and South Africa all finding similar bottom line conclusions - less chance of hospitalisation.

And Danish data suggesting the same


www.imperial.ac.uk

Some reduction in hospitalisation for Omicron v Delta in England: early analysis | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Estimates suggest Omicron cases are 15% less likely to attend hospital, and 40% less likely to be hospitalised for a night or more, compared to Delta.
www.imperial.ac.uk www.imperial.ac.uk

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

Edinburgh experts find omicron 'less likely' to lead to hospitalisation

Research by scientists at the Universities of Edinburgh and Strathclyde have returned 'encouraging' early data showing the omicron variant could be up to 66 per cent less likely to land sufferers in hospital
www.edinburghlive.co.uk www.edinburghlive.co.uk

www.reuters.com

South African study suggests lower risk of hospitalisation with Omicron versus Delta

A South African study suggests reduced risks of hospitalisation and severe disease in people infected with the Omicron coronavirus variant versus the Delta one, though the authors say some of that is likely due to high population immunity.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Good summary article -

Omicron cases less likely to require hospital treatment, studies show

Data from Denmark, South Africa and the UK point to reduced severity from infection with the coronavirus strain
www.ft.com www.ft.com
 
FabioPorkpie said:
It’s starting to look more concrete 🤞🏻🤞🏻

3 separate studies in Scotland, England and South Africa all finding similar bottom line conclusions - less chance of hospitalisation.

And Danish data suggesting the same


www.imperial.ac.uk

Some reduction in hospitalisation for Omicron v Delta in England: early analysis | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Estimates suggest Omicron cases are 15% less likely to attend hospital, and 40% less likely to be hospitalised for a night or more, compared to Delta.
www.imperial.ac.uk www.imperial.ac.uk

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

Edinburgh experts find omicron 'less likely' to lead to hospitalisation

Research by scientists at the Universities of Edinburgh and Strathclyde have returned 'encouraging' early data showing the omicron variant could be up to 66 per cent less likely to land sufferers in hospital
www.edinburghlive.co.uk www.edinburghlive.co.uk

www.reuters.com

South African study suggests lower risk of hospitalisation with Omicron versus Delta

A South African study suggests reduced risks of hospitalisation and severe disease in people infected with the Omicron coronavirus variant versus the Delta one, though the authors say some of that is likely due to high population immunity.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Good summary article -

Omicron cases less likely to require hospital treatment, studies show

Data from Denmark, South Africa and the UK point to reduced severity from infection with the coronavirus strain
www.ft.com www.ft.com
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I posted this about 12 days ago going on the data coming out of South Africa. Hopefully in a few weeks things will have calmed down.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Ministers watch data as studies say Omicron risk lower

Scientists say early signs are good news but a big wave of infections could still overwhelm the NHS.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
boroPE said:
I posted this about 12 days ago going on the data coming out of South Africa. Hopefully in a few weeks things will have calmed down.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Ministers watch data as studies say Omicron risk lower

Scientists say early signs are good news but a big wave of infections could still overwhelm the NHS.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Yeah, and now data coming back from populations with different dynamics, age distribution, population density, vax rates, climates etc is coming back showing similar bottom line findings, we can be more confident in the initial findings from SA
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Yeah, and now data coming back from populations with different dynamics, age distribution, population density, vax rates, climates etc is coming back showing similar bottom line findings, we can be more confident in the initial findings from SA
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I hope you are right 12 days is probably enough to see rises in hospitalisation, obviously needs a few more days to see a rise in ICU admittance and then probably another week or so to see rises in deaths. It is probably too late to do anything in England if we are wrong anyway. In the UK the older generations have not been touched by the latest wave. The 40-49 year age range is just starting to rise and the older age ranges will rise in time. Now these people are pretty much all vaccinated, although some will not had their booster long enough, so that is good but these are the people who are mostly hospitalised and unfortunately die. We are just starting to see a rise in hospitalisations hopefully this won't trigger a rise in ICU patients, where capacity is at its acutest. The infection rates in England are starting to rocket the other home nations the cases are not rising as quickly.
 
I know of a few people who have had it despite being double jabbed but symptoms have been from none to mild.
 
Came down with it Tuesday, the day after I had the booster. Thought it was just the booster reaction at first but positive LFT. Waiting for PCR result.
Wont be going to the Boxing day match for the first time I can remember.
 
BillyBoyStu said:
Came down with it Tuesday, the day after I had the booster. Thought it was just the booster reaction at first but positive LFT. Waiting for PCR result.
Wont be going to the Boxing day match for the first time I can remember.
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Ah no, so close. I hope you get through with mild symptoms and can have a private Christmas to yourself. Treat yourself to mince pies, wine, and stuff!
 
BillyBoyStu said:
Came down with it Tuesday, the day after I had the booster. Thought it was just the booster reaction at first but positive LFT. Waiting for PCR result.
Wont be going to the Boxing day match for the first time I can remember.
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Unlucky mate. My family took out tests today with family arriving tomorrow, we would have been devastated had we had to cancel family coming.

Try and enjoy Christmas as much as you can.
 
Symptoms not too bad. Being well looked after by wife and kids. Just hoping they don’t get it. I’ve still got 90 episodes of Dexter to get through anyway.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
John o’Looney the mad antivax funeral director saying vaccine is killing people and not covid
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Out of interest....

Pfizer released their 6 month follow up from the vaccine trial in I believe July 2021. The 6 month period ended March 2021. The details were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) on November 4th 2021. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

A breakdown of the deaths during the trial is reported in the Supplementary Appendix on page 11.


According to this data, 15 people on the vaccine arm died, compared with 14 on the placebo arm. On the vaccine arm, only 1 person died of "COVID-19 pneumonia", whereas on the placebo arm, 2 people died of COVID-19. I believe from this data the efficacy of the vaccine with respect to COVID-19 mortality is established. The total population of the trial was 21,926 on the vaccine arm and 21,921 on the placebo arm. You can read the immunity details elsewhere in the NEJM report. Note that after the 6 month follow up, the trial was de-blinded and the placebo arm was offered the vaccine. As a result no longer term results will be possible. Perhaps understandable given the risk from the virus.

On November 8 2021 the US FDA published their "Summary for Regulatory Action" for the vaccine and on page 23 of this document is the following statement:

"From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group. None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination."

According to the FDA the death toll in the vaccine arm was 21 - not 15, with an increase of 3 deaths on the placebo arm - though they maintain none of the deaths were "considered related to vaccination".


On 14th December 2021, the journal Nature Medicine published a study from the University of Oxford on "Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection". https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

The study focused on 38,615,491 individuals vaccinated in the UK with at least one dose of vaccine. Among this group were 3,028,867 (7.8%) who had tested positive for Covid-19, and of those 2,315,669 (6.0%) tested positive before their first dose.

Of note is the following quote from the study results:

"During the study period there were 1,615 and 1,574 admissions or deaths related to myocarditis and pericarditis, respectively (14 patients had both), and 385,508 related to cardiac arrhythmias."

There are sections in the study describing the details for all three conditions.

According to the NHS 2 million people in the UK have cardiac arrythmias, and up to 100,000 a year die from cardiac conditions arising from arrythmia. So perhaps the data is not of concern.
 
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