Ollie Robinson

[BoroMart]

I seem to have wandered into a parrallel universe where joining ISIS, an organisation that proudly murders and beheads Westerners is the same as posting something on twitter 8 years ago.

You are in a parallel universe if that is what you think was said.

The argument that being young impacts your decisions in life is being applied to Robinson by some people.

You can't pick and choose how to apply that based on some moral bias, it's either true or it isn't.

Ergo, it also applies to a 15 year old who was groomed since she was 12 or 13.

There is no equivalence being made of the crime, only of the impact of age. I hope that clears it up for you, if it doesn't then I'd suggest you're being subjective.

 

[BoroMart]

Sickening that someone can grow up thinking those sort of views are acceptable. He sounds like a complete scumbag to be honest. Regardless of views on the punishment, someone like that shouldn’t be representing their country

IF he maintains those views in a team sport representing his country, then I would agree.

 

[Steer]

You are in a parallel universe if that is what you think was said.

The argument that being young shouldn't impact your decisions in life is being applied to Robinson by some people.

You can't pick and choose how to apply that based on some moral bias, it's either true or it isn't.

Ergo, it also applies to a 15 year old who was groomed since she was 12 or 13.

There is no equivalence being made of the crime, only of the impact of age. I hope that clears it up for you, if it doesn't then I'd suggest you're being subjective.

It doesn't clear it up. Its a silly, hysterical and utterly unsuitable comparison.

 

[asredastheycome]

But should they be representing their county? And if so, why is it different? Its a bit weird how no one cared about this stuff until he took a wicket for England on Thursday. Even though he's been happily plugging away for Sussex for years.

If anything it is also an indictment of how the role of a journalist nowadays is simply to trawl through people's historical Twitter accounts. What a job!

If I had money I would love to put a Private Detective on some of these so called journalists and see what skeletons they have in their closets.
I heard rumours that one of them got to be P.M.

 

[BoroMart]

I am not gonna lie I used to make some very stupid jokes when I was 18 that I'd be ashamed of now if someone dug them up on twitter (if it existed). Admittedly, I wasn't daft enough to record myself saying them or put them online, but I can absolutely tell you that by the time I was 27 I knew exactly where I'd gone wrong.

I am not sure its wise to throw these people entirely on the scrapheap.

I agree completely, and for a couple of years I sporadically joined in with unsavory chants on the holgate when I was about 13 or 14. It never sat comfortable with me, but I wanted to fit in so joined in. I deserved to be pulled up for joining in, but it was the mid 80s so I wasn't, but I held my hands up and admitted it when in my early 20s.

We all make mistakes, got influenced by older people, make bad choices at that age It's part of growing up, it shouldn't ruin our lives and it shouldn't ruin his, but he probably needs to do a bit more than say sorry after he was caught.

 

[BoroMart]

Not sure where you work BM but in these days of social media its very easy to sack people. I know about 5 or 6 who have been sacked through things they or others have posted on social media like Facebook. Some deservedly IMO others not.

I ain't likely to sack myself

 

[BoroMart]

It doesn't clear it up. Its a silly, hysterical and utterly unsuitable comparison.

It should, but that's on you if that's how you feel.

The influence of age in ones decision making is very real, if it's good for the cricketer its good for the islamic extremist.

If you believe you can pick and choose when to apply this based on what the crime is, then you are letting your prejudices, outrage and personal lack of emotive control unduly influence you.

 

[atypical_boro]

I agree completely, and for a couple of years I sporadically joined in with unsavory chants on the holgate when I was about 13 or 14. It never sat comfortable with me, but I wanted to fit in so joined in. I deserved to be pulled up for joining in, but it was the mid 80s so I wasn't, but I held my hands up and admitted it when in my early 20s.

We all make mistakes, got influenced by older people, make bad choices at that age It's part of growing up, it shouldn't ruin our lives and it shouldn't ruin his, but he probably needs to do a bit more than say sorry after he was caught.

Agree, even if sorry isn't quite enough, there has to be SOME way of making amends for something which, although terrible, it isn't as bad as rape or murder and he deserves to be able to move on with his life (playing for England or whatever).

 

[BoroMart]

If anything it is also an indictment of how the role of a journalist nowadays is simply to trawl through people's historical Twitter accounts. What a job!

agreed, the press have found a new gutter to role around covering themselves in excrement. but I think it's a lesson to everyone that thinks the internet is a safe place to be abusive, cruel, bullying, hateful and bigoted without any accountability....that isn't always the case. Personally I think all social media activity should be traceable to individuals

 

[the_holgate_roof]

Seems to be the way of the British press, build people up, then destroy them....

 

[Laughing]

Surely a chat with the man and find out how he feels today. Does he seem genuinely appalled at his younger self, is he genuinely sorry for the hurt he may have caused and its he likely to still hold those views is all that should be required for him to either be dropped permanently or be allowed to continue his England career.

 

[atypical_boro]

Surely a chat with the man and find out how he feels today. Does he seem genuinely appalled at his younger self, is he genuinely sorry for the hurt he may have caused and its he likely to still hold those views is all that should be required for him to either be dropped permanently or be allowed to continue his England career.

I'd stick him in front of Emily Maitlis and Oprah Winfrey, 2 on 1.

 

[tripleheader]

I can bm. I read an article just now and he has been suspended whilst an investigation is carried out. That seems fair enough. Any sort of a ban should be based solely on that investigation taking into account the time elapsed.

Some might argue, very reasonably, that given it happened quite a while ago, the adverse publicity and a short suspension should be punishment enough.

Yep agreed. If after an investigation they find out he has changed his ways and does not now tweet racist/inflammatory remarks, then he has had his punishment served. It was in the past, where hopefully it will be filed under yesterdays news.

 

[Soutra]

Some of those tweets were so bad that I doubt he'll ever be free of the backlash.

I don't know whether it's possible for a leopard to change its spots, but I suspect in this case it'll be the end of his international career. Wherever he goes he'll have people demonstrating and militating against him. Be very careful about what you tweet is the moral of the sorry story.

 

[Expat Smoggie]

Yep agreed. If after an investigation they find out he has changed his ways and does not now tweet racist/inflammatory remarks, then he has had his punishment served. It was in the past, where hopefully it will be filed under yesterdays news.

It's too bad that this came out when he at last achieved international fame -- my question is why did the news break just now or was it always known that he had tweeted this stuff but as he was a nobody -- literally nobody cared?

 

[the_holgate_roof]

It's too bad that this came out when he at last achieved international fame -- my question is why did the news break just now or was it always known that he had tweeted this stuff but as he was a nobody -- literally nobody cared?

Like I said, build them up then knock them down, that’s how we roll over here.

 

[BoroFur]

This is the opinion of a black cricketer who played for England.

He rightly points out that Oliver Dowden allowed the recent racist abuse of Marcus Rashford to slide by without comment.

'Carberry: No respect for Dowden comments on Robinson tweets'

Michael Carberry: I have no respect for Oliver Dowden's comments about Ollie Robinson's Tweets

Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket by the ECB after historical racist and sexist social media posts surfaced last week; Oliver Dowden labelled the decision over the top; ECB investigating claims another current England player posted historical offensive material

www.skysports.com

 

[atypical_boro]

Some of those tweets were so bad that I doubt he'll ever be free of the backlash.

I think that is probably true, and its up to him whether he uses that to fuel some kind of redemption, or whether he just doesn't want the hassle of international cricket after all. I know what I'd do in his shoes, but I don't think it should be taken out of his hands necessarily.

 

[atypical_boro]

It's too bad that this came out when he at last achieved international fame -- my question is why did the news break just now or was it always known that he had tweeted this stuff but as he was a nobody -- literally nobody cared?

He's been on the fringe of the England squad for over a year. There would have been a journalist somewhere who identified them months ago but waited until he made his international debut to declare that this 'terrible hate speech needed to be stopped immediately'.

 

[TheBoroBuzzard]

2nd english cricketer under investigation now - dont look like his been suspended, but that may come as the investigation gets underway and historical evidence comes to light. 2nd person has not been identified.

Reports that this is from a social media post from when he was 15 years old...come on now. Who on earth is digging it up.