NY Honours list

Randy said:
My allegations are made using stories my friends who served over there told me. Feel free to call them loons if you so please.
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Anyone serving over their has my respect and admiration. Those people faced awful circumstances often with the incorrect equipment. How the Army managed it all has nothing to do with Blair though.
 
Huddboro said:
Time to get rid? How to buy yourself an honour…

www.theguardian.com

Billionaire Tory donor knighted in new year honours list

Boris Johnson accused of ‘wrong priorities’ after David Winton Harding given award for services to philanthropy
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I think you're being a bit harsh here. Yes - he's a Tory donor and financier, but he's given well over £100m to education and research. He could have had a Dukedom for that under either Johnson or Blair.
 
Nero said:
Anyone serving over their has my respect and admiration. Those people faced awful circumstances often with the incorrect equipment. How the Army managed it all has nothing to do with Blair though.
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The armed forces were put in an impossible position searching for items that were not there. Plus as much of a b****d as Sadamn Hussain was, that whole region has gone to absolute **** since his death.
 
JackG said:
Blair lied to himself, agreed with himself, then lied to us.(see Chilcott). He couldn't lie straight in bed
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You've linked a newspaper article, not the Chilcot Report.

So direct me to the part of the report where Chilcot says Blair lied and is indeed a war criminal. I've got all night.
 
Randy said:
My allegations are made using stories my friends who served over there told me. Feel free to call them loons if you so please.
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So you and your mates are legal experts?
And you know full well that I wasn't inferring that servicemen and women are loons so you can cut out that **** mate.
 
Randy said:
The armed forces were put in an impossible position searching for items that were not there. Plus as much of a b****d as Sadamn Hussain was, that whole region has gone to absolute **** since his death.
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Absolutely. Saddam held it all together despite his murderous intentions against his own people. Perhaps the biggest failure of America and others was the failure to recognise the tribal culture of that region - Iraq wasn't even a country until after World War One.
 
JackG said:
I think you're being a bit harsh here. Yes - he's a Tory donor and financier, but he's given well over £100m to education and research. He could have had a Dukedom for that under either Johnson or Blair.
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Why mention Blair when talking about a billionaire Tory donor?

Presumably Corbyn wouldn't have accepted a similar donation if ever he had become PM.
 
BoroFur said:
So you and your mates are legal experts?
And you know full well that I wasn't inferring that servicemen and women are loons so you can cut out that **** mate.
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I wasn't inferring anything. You came to the white knight defense of Blair, I have merely given my own opinion. Him, Bush, Cheney, all directly responsible for the needless deaths of British, American and Iraqi people. But yes let's give him the highest honour the Queen can bestow on a British citizen.
 
Randy said:
I wasn't inferring anything. You came to the white knight defense of Blair, I have merely given my own opinion. Him, Bush, Cheney, all directly responsible for the needless deaths of British, American and Iraqi people. But yes let's give him the highest honour the Queen can bestow on a British citizen.
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I'm not defending him so dont be so patronising with your white knight comment.

I'm saying he's not a war criminal which is a fact.

Yes you have an opinion but it's not based on evidence, just emotion.
 
BoroFur said:
I'm not defending him so dont be so patronising with your white knight comment.

I'm saying he's not a war criminal which is a fact.

Yes you have an opinion but it's not based on evidence, just emotion.
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From the United Nations website.

For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
1)Wilful killing

2)Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

3)Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

4)Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

5)Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;

6)Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;

7)Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;

8)Taking of hostages.




See points 3,4 and arguably 7.
 
Randy said:
From the United Nations website.

For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
1)Wilful killing

2)Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

3)Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

4)Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

5)Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;

6)Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;

7)Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;

8)Taking of hostages.




See points 3,4 and arguably 7.
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Come on. Those rules apply to those responsible for managing the stupid act of war. If you're a General or such then those rules directly apply to how you go about the operation. Blair made a decision based on intelligence, asked parliament permission, then handed things to the Army.
 
Randy said:
From the United Nations website.

For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
1)Wilful killing

2)Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

3)Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

4)Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

5)Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;

6)Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;

7)Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;

8)Taking of hostages.




See points 3,4 and arguably 7.
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Call the cops mate.
I'm sure the finest legal minds in the land are all aware of the Geneva Convention so why hasn't any of them pursued it?
 
Randy said:
Ah I get it now. You were in favour of the invasion.
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Whether I was or wasn’t is completely irrelevant and I'm not even sure how you've managed to arrive at the conclusion you have.

It just reads like you've run out of arguments so you're throwing mud at me hoping it sticks.

The discussion is about whether Blair is a war criminal not about who supported the war.
 
BoroFur said:
Show me the evidence proving Blair lied.
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I’m not getting into it again. The was no wmd’s and there wasn’t enough evidence of them to go to war. 1000’s died. 10s of 1000s injured and displaced and created the void for the Middle East to be the **** show it is today. Your entitled to your opinion but in my eyes Blair committed the worst act of any leader in my lifetime.
 
Facefuzz said:
I’m not getting into it again. The was no wmd’s and there wasn’t enough evidence of them to go to war. 1000’s died. 10s of 1000s injured and displaced and created the void for the Middle East to be the **** show it is today. Your entitled to your opinion but in my eyes Blair committed the worst act of any leader in my lifetime.
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But my opinion is shared by Chilcot who didn't even comment on the legality of the war. Neither did Chilcot say Blair lied and nor did he say Blair is a war criminal.

I'm sticking to facts, you are just being emotional.
 
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