Not a single mask...

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Was in Middlesbrough Town Centre this morning and didn't see one person inside a shop not wearing a mask.

How ever walking around the Cleveland and Hill Street Centres I'd say less than half of people outside of shops were wearing masks. That could well be because the guidelines stating where and when you need to wear one were issued really late yesterday and people possibly don't realise that they are supposed to wear a mask in shopping centres.

 

[ForssAwakens]

It doesn't take much research to find out it does.

Maybe I should say either selfish or ignorant then.

Just cos you have inclination to do research doesn’t mean everyone else does

 

[SmallTown]

Just cos you have inclination to do research doesn’t mean everyone else does

That's why I qualified the sleighs comment with ignorant.

 

[Laughing]

It doesn't take much research to find out it does.

Maybe I should say either selfish or ignorant then.

Some would say your stance on the wearing of face masks is ignorant also ST. Were you selfish or ignorant before you started wearing a mask?

The research barely supports face masks as anything other than a "might help a bit". On the back of that there are some very insulting remarks going on. Accept that your position on face masks may well be wrong, and it may well prove to be just that when someone has to clean up the mess.

 

[1finny]

It doesn't take much research to find out it does.

Maybe I should say either selfish or ignorant then.

You are talking utter nonsense ST.
The leader of the country and his senior medics have been telling the country, since March, masks are a wast of time.
You decide they make a difference so everybody is selfish for not going along with you.

Unbelievable Jeff

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Some would say your stance on the wearing of face masks is ignorant also ST. Were you selfish or ignorant before you started wearing a mask?

The research barely supports face masks as anything other than a "might help a bit". On the back of that there are some very insulting remarks going on. Accept that your position on face masks may well be wrong, and it may well prove to be just that when someone has to clean up the mess.

Which research are you quoting from that says face masks "might help a bit"?

Whilst Boris etc were prevaricating about whether masks should be worn or not the W.H.O. were saying wear one.

The W.H.O. seem to think that wearing of face masks is a good thing so that'll do for me. I think that advice is probably better taken than someone on a message board saying that they don't do any good.

 

[NYboro]

Probably because the science behind pros and cons is all over the place. Same with government ministers.
I mean even Fauci doesn't seem to know what's what.

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He's seated and he'll be socially distanced.

 

[SmallTown]

You are talking utter nonsense ST.
The leader of the country and his senior medics have been telling the country, since March, masks are a wast of time.
You decide they make a difference so everybody is selfish for not going along with you.

Unbelievable Jeff

So you believe the leader of this country?

WOW

 

[Alvez_48]

So you believe the leader of this country?

WOW

You did... When you voted for him

 

[JM14]

You are talking utter nonsense ST.
The leader of the country and his senior medics have been telling the country, since March, masks are a wast of time.
You decide they make a difference so everybody is selfish for not going along with you.

Unbelievable Jeff

At first they did, but they have been telling us for weeks, as well as the WHO that they have some benefit. Obviously they weren't mandatory until today but surely common sense should prevail for wearing one before you absolutely have to?

 

[1finny]

So you believe the leader of this country?

WOW

No I don’t but - a significant number of people voted for him. So I understand they respect him. As such, it is not unreasonable for them to take what he says into account.

At first they did, but they have been telling us for weeks, as well as the WHO that they have some benefit. Obviously they weren't mandatory until today but surely common sense should prevail for wearing one before you absolutely have to?

The ‘common sense’ debate has been had from day 1. What we know is there is no such thing. There are different views on risk assessment.
And, when you have been bombarded with one message ref masks for 4 months to suddenly expect everyone to come on board with a decision made two weeks ago is optimistic.
I’m not in the UK at the moment but, as of today, I’m told most are being compliant - much as they were asked to do.

 

[tripleheader]

I've been wearing one when going out the house to the odd visit to the bank/shops for the last month and when I've had to meet a few people from outside my household. It's has always been about passing on the virus for me so it was an easy decision to start wearing them.A civil duty if you like.
Just like back in the day when I was working in Industry, there were always those who complied with safety advice, those who were risk takers and then there were the ignorant and bloody fools.

 

[1finny]

so, you were going against the medical advice and are happy to judge those that didn’t.
that kinder society we saw at the start didn’t last long did it
Nice

 

[Laughing]

Which research are you quoting from that says face masks "might help a bit"?

Whilst Boris etc were prevaricating about whether masks should be worn or not the W.H.O. were saying wear one.

The W.H.O. seem to think that wearing of face masks is a good thing so that'll do for me. I think that advice is probably better taken than someone on a message board saying that they don't do any good.

That post just isn't true DCI - The WHO changed their advice on June the 8th. The report is available for folks to read. If you want an interpretation of it, rather than read the entire report try webmd.com for an overview.

They clearly state that wearing of masks may give some benefits where transmission rates are high. What they totally ignore is the risk in using disposable masks without an infrastructure to dispose of them.

This government, as with all things covid related have gone off half cocked. Using a single layer cloth face mask gives no discernible benefits. That is also from the WHO.

I may just be someone on a message board, but I did my research.

Arguing for the wearing of face masks is fine, and there is evidence to support that stance. To castigate anyone who disagrees, and accuse them of being selfish for holding an opposing view is failing to look at all the evidence because there is evidence to also support that disposable face masks, particularly, spread the disease more than they hinder it.

Finally I didn't say whether they did any good or not, I merely mentioned the WHO stance on the wearing of face masks.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

That post just isn't true DCI - The WHO changed their advice on June the 8th. The report is available for folks to read. If you want an interpretation of it, rather than read the entire report try webmd.com for an overview.

They clearly state that wearing of masks may give some benefits where transmission rates are high. What they totally ignore is the risk in using disposable masks without an infrastructure to dispose of them.

This government, as with all things covid related have gone off half cocked. Using a single layer cloth face mask gives no discernible benefits. That is also from the WHO.

I may just be someone on a message board, but I did my research.

Arguing for the wearing of face masks is fine, and there is evidence to support that stance. To castigate anyone who disagrees, and accuse them of being selfish for holding an opposing view is failing to look at all the evidence because there is evidence to also support that disposable face masks, particularly, spread the disease more than they hinder it.

Finally I didn't say whether they did any good or not, I merely mentioned the WHO stance on the wearing of face masks.

You've not said where you were quoting that masks only "might help a bit"

Nothing in my post is untrue. The W.H.O said in June that we should be wearing masks, Boris and his pals waited until 4 weeks later to agree with them and a further 2 weeks to make it compulsory.

I've not castigted or accused anyone.

I agree with some of your comments but again I'll take my guidance from the W.H.O. rather than someone who's done a bit of research and is posting on a message board.

 

[Randy]

He's seated and he'll be socially distanced.

What has been seated have anything to do with it?



Photo shows him wearing a mask incorrectly, not for the first time may I add too.

Screams of do as I say not as I do.

 

[hopesoboro]

I have seen two guys over here in France wearing them. Not an issue.

I’ve also just been to the local market, everyone had face coverings on. Earlier this week, I was sat outside at a cafe and a guy entered the bar without his mask. The owner shouted at him to get out and put his mask on. He immediately did.

You don't mess with bar owners in France!

 

[hopesoboro]

One of the examples of those on the exempt list.

Ah! I see! So pilots don't need to wear masks in a shop? That is bizarre!

 

[NYboro]

What has been seated have anything to do with it?



Photo shows him wearing a mask incorrectly, not for the first time may I add too.

Screams of do as I say not as I do.

He is in New York State and that is one of stipulations - if you're seated and socially distanced, you can remove your mask.

 

[hopesoboro]

There is a fair bit of nonsense on this thread. The WHO changed their advice on mask wearing saying it could have a minimal beneficial impact in areas with high transmission rates. The 2 caveats are minimal impact and only in high transmission areas.

Their advice could have gone either way. Based on that loosely worded advice, anyone who doesn't immediately wear a mask is selfish and is potentially killing people. OK, if you say so.

In addition, the WHO make the point that the benefits may be minimal IF and only IF it is a three layer mask, absorbent,non woven and non-absorbent in that order from face to outside. How many of you mask wearers are making sure of that? If not are you also selfishly killing people?

Finally, if you have a reusable mask you have to wash the mask in boiling water, how many of you crusaders are doing that? I would assume so, given the vitriol dished out to non mask wearers. I mean you must have read the full report from the WHO, yes?

For the record I have a three layer mask which I wear. I am yet to be convinced it has any clinical benefits and I am very concerned about how people dispose of used masks.

When I've seconded your concerns about disposal there's been no comment on here. That could reflect my standing on here! but I note you don't get any support either!