Northern Ireland goes into 4 week Circuit Breaker lockdown

How do you classify vulnerable? How does financial assistance stop them getting Covid?
With your other points you assume that staff won't mind spending months away from their families so they can shield with their patients.

Not sure what the rules are in Ireland but I do know that they tightened their rules in August. We waited until September.
I don't, I'm not paid to do so, just an idea.
I didn't assume anything about paying staff to live in. It's an option. I know it's an option as my missus was given the same option in April which she turned down for the sake of our kids, the money on offer was insane, she would have done it if we didn't have kids.
 
Still waiting lads

Lockdown has no impact whatsoever, let me show you some graphs, some data.....

Lets take UK, Spain, France, and Italy's epidemic curves, fairly recent data. Spain had a very hard lockdown, The UK less so and formal measures were introduced only after peak infections which was around 16th March. Notice how they are largely superimposal regardless of measures. Once a respiratory virus is endemic (everywhere) you can't stop it's passing. It goes exponential until it infects most of the susceptible (sadly the elderly and those with underlying conditions). Then it drops. Natural phenomena. They have done for eons. Society has never responded in this way to respiratory pandemics of the past, so why now? Who (I could have written that in capitals and it would be still accurate) is driving this change? And why? For who's benefit?

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Now lets look at 3 South American countries, very interesting..... Different pattern because of the different climate but all superimposable regardless of restrictions. Brazil opened up after Bolsonaro sensibly said they should in the end and Peru had a military lockdown. Can you honestly look at the graph and say that restrictions made any difference?

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Finally UK and Sweden......

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Log scale this time as UK is miles bigger than Sweden. Hmmmm, again...... standard shape for a seasonal virus in northern european countries. Why is that? It is because
you can't control a respiratory virus when it becomes endemic, and it was endemic here in Jan/Feb. Contact tracing pointless, billions taken out from the taxpayer to give to private firms. Slight uptick at the end as this is a log scale, lets have a look for linear....

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No rapid rise, 1 death per million people per day, horrible for the families involved, but nothing like March, when the NHS was massively stretched and hospitals were at bursting. But clearly not bursting enough to use the nightingale hospitals were they?

Can you honestly look at that graph and tell me that hospitals are many hospitals are going to be overflowing? I don't have time now but I will dig out some data on admissions, they are nothing out of the ordinary for this time of the year and admissions always rise in the autumn due to an increase in respiratory issues. There are also far more admissions for other respiratory issues than Covid. A few local ones may be overstretched but they often are at this time of year.

Remember that press conference with Whitty and Vallance and their ridiculous projection (if we didn't follow the rules), lets see how thats going. Are we seeing a "steep rise", "rising cases" "explosion"? Absolutely not and this is entirely predicted by those who actually knew what they were talking about at the start of this epidemic. It is now plateauing on the 7-day average and will just drop down as the last few remaining susceptible people sadly fall ill (though this is cases and many will just be asymptomatic so not even a case necessarily due to the nature of the PCR test.

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SAGE has to continue this charade as it has based its entire predictions on a crazy model which assumed 100% susceptible population as it was a "new virus". If that were the case we'd have been picking bodies out of the street in April. Humans have dealt with very similar viruses before using a range of immune responses yet SAGE now run models with an input of approx 10% infected. This is utter garbage. The human immune response has myriad defenses yet SAGE only want to consider the presence of antibodies as "proof" of infection. This is mangling science. They are either completely incompetent, or something else is at play.

We have a Health secretary (who studied philosophy, economics, and politics) who denies that any pandemic was ended with herd immunity! Science is heading back to the dark ages. Herd immunity is how pandemics end. This one already pretty much has, but the government (and media, and seemingly opposition) will tell you "cases are rising, we must lock down". The health secretary has openly talked about vaccines being administered, why? Maybe to the vulnerable, if the the virus becomes endemic which it may or may not do.

So let me ask you when do you think we will be out of lockdown? Johnson has mentioned another 6 months! Why? the virus has pretty much run its course.

Are you happy not being able to go down the pub with a large group of friends, in some areas not allowed to gather round friends houses, not allowed to see elderly relatives in care homes. Are you happy seeing businesses ruined? Livelihoods ruined? Communities destroyed? Because that is where we are heading sadly. "Cases of coronavirus" will still be mentioned even though with massive testing levels the numbers will be utterly pointless. However they will be used to keep communities locked down until an untested vaccine is unleashed. Do you really want that?

If I had written that a few months ago I would have thought I'd gone mad but that does look like where we are heading, certainly on pointless lockdowns (see the graphs above)

Final question for you..... What percentage of deaths today were with covid? Go on have a guess, or look up the number. After you've done that can you honestly tell me covid is currently a major cause of death in the UK?
 
I’ve been waiting for many days. Get the same stock answer, which has been pulled to bits a million times buy a million smarter people than me. ‘Shield the vulnerable’. Genius.
Then no response when the obvious problems with that are highlighted.
I’ve given up now.
I want them to give us a viable solution but they are too busy shouting about how bad lockdowns are.
Yeah, we know lockdowns are bad but...

I've explained many times, the vulnerable sadly passed away when the virus swept through in March (see my graphs above). Who are we shielding and what from? Yes, there is the chance of We are being "guided" by


One video, granted but they'll be many more. Maybe, just maybe, people will ask questions when they see that continuing yet we are under ridiculous lockdowns with nonsense talk of mass vaccines.
 
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Those clamouring for a lockdown do you want everything locked down or only certain sectors?

Are supermarket workers allowed out to work? If so why are they ok to be sacrificed? Or those who work in public and private transport? Nah it's ok because they can ferry the worker ants to work. They are expendable also aren't they? As long as the middle and upper classes are ok working from home having the working class keeping them topped up with warm homes, running water, Amazon packages and food deliveries it's ok.

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Those clamouring for a lockdown do you want everything locked down or only certain sectors?

Are supermarket workers allowed out to work? If so why are they ok to be sacrificed? Or those who work in public and private transport? Nah it's ok because they can ferry the worker ants to work. They are expendable also aren't they? As long as the middle and upper classes are ok working from home having the working class keeping them topped up with warm homes, running water, Amazon packages and food deliveries it's ok.

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Ireland, Scotland, England, Wales..... totally lost the plot.

The trouble is the spin now is so large that people are totally hooked in. Hancock trying to re-write science, a totally unaccountable SAGE which is under no scrutiny from anywhere, and the worst opposition in my lifetime.
 
I've explained many times, the vulnerable sadly passed away when the virus swept through in March (see my graphs above). Who are we shielding and what from? Yes, there is the chance of We are being "guided" by


One video, granted but they'll be many more. Maybe, just maybe, people will ask questions when they see that continuing yet we are under ridiculous lockdowns with nonsense talk of mass vaccines.

Yep, you keep putting the same graphs up and they are interesting but, you haven’t actually said what you think should be the way forward now.
Randy keeps spouting the same magic fantasy that is so flawed it’s unreal, and he completely burries his head in the sand and ignores questions or concerns around his proposed course of action, but you’re smarter than that.
So just to clarify, your stance is that all of this is completely unnecessary and we should do nothing and just return to normal life immediately?
There are no measures we can take to slow the spread and prevent the NHS being overwhelmed and furthermore, you think that won’t happen as a result of covid anyway?
Or if it does then so be it??
There is no need to shield anyone because those who were vulnerable will have already died?
These numbers being reported now don’t exist, or rather they aren’t covid related, just normal deaths because it’s respiratory disease season and it’s all a global world wide conspiracy?
I’m not being sarcastic, by the way, although I know it comes across that way. It’s just that seems to be the long and short of what you mean?

Edit, by the way, I absolutely hope that you are proved correct in one respect, that this is just a ripple and will quickly level off and all indicators will start decreasing soon.
 
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The irony that Sweden with their amazing approach are warning or further measures as new infections rise and they are struggling to control them.

The evidence of the UK lockdown working is what we are living through now. Infections went up. We locked down, infections went down. We ended lockdown and infections went up.
 
It's the period as we move out of restrictions that we are unable to organise correctly.

Too many think it's all over once any relaxation takes place, it isn't.
 
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The irony that Sweden with their amazing approach are warning or further measures as new infections rise and they are struggling to control them.

The evidence of the UK lockdown working is what we are living through now. Infections went up. We locked down, infections went down. We ended lockdown and infections went up.
I was surprised how restrictive the Swedish guidelines (not the law) are.
The Public Health Agency asks everyone to avoid organising or participating in "large events", including parties, weddings and funerals.
 
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I was surprised how restrictive the Swedish guidelines (not the law) are.

And it turns out that they expected around 40% of Swedes to have antibodies now. When they have tested it's more like 15% meaning that herd immunity is a long way off - despite the fact there is no proof of Covid 19 Herd Immunity is even possible.
 
And it turns out that they expected around 40% of Swedes to have antibodies now. When they have tested it's more like 15% meaning that herd immunity is a long way off - despite the fact there is no proof of Covid 19 Herd Immunity is even possible.

There is much more to immunity than antibodies thankfully.
 
Interesting answer from JVT as to why NI etc are having circuit breakers with lower infection rates. His answer seemed to be that it was the right thing to do in England in September, but it's too late now.
 
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