"Nobody in their right mind would buy a used EV..."

Andy_W said:
I partially mentioned it earlier to you, but for the benefit of others.....

No 90k car is getting an engine for 9k fitted, they will be looking at 25k I reckon. Add in the gearbox, clutch and every other part associated with the fuel and drive system and you'll be near 50k I bet.

Warranties on Engines (or any other part of the drive system) are not as good as on EV's (typically 8 years/ 100k miles), and the EV manufacturers wouldn't give these warranties if they were going to have to pay out on loads of them. Typically an expected min life of something on average would be at least double the warranty offered, I would imagine.

A sealed brushless electric motor is just about the most efficient and reliable thing man has ever made, and they've been around decades. The first electric motor came about 50 years before the car did, probably no concerns with these.

Even when a battery would be at the point of a warranty claim or when it's 10 years old or whatever this is still probably ~75% charge, so will be more than good enough for most people, it's not like when they get to 75% they just stop etc. A 250 mile range car will still be able to do 200 miles or so, which is good enough for most I bet. Most could even get by on 50-100 miles if they don't do many miles of have a second car etc. We only put petrol in our hybrid maybe once every couple of months, and it's only got a 30 mile range.
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Andy_W said:
Yeah, basically like that, but more localised and more often as there's more people using them etc.

Trains are seemingly a nightmare for running together in close proximity though, and for some reason they aren't automated yet, probably as the signage and infrastructure isn't great. They're also not particularly cost effective in the UK, where it seems to me by road could be cheaper and simpler, especially if automated and running on electric etc.
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The future surely should be less cars, not more cars.
 
MolteniArcore said:
The future surely should be less cars, not more cars.
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I'm more on about small electric buses which drive themselves up and down motorways and a-roads, for long trips, going common routes, and very often, so often you don't need a timetable, and can just see where they all are on a map etc. Think of it like smaller trains, on more routes, going a lot more frequently.

If this works, which it should, as more vehicles could mobilise at peak times and could park and charge at non peak times, then it should take tons of cars off the road.

It needs to be comparable to an individual's car trip though, in a way, or be cheap enough where the slight extra time for travel is better than paying for and driving your own car etc. The idea is to build a massive public transport system which actually works, if it's seen as more expensive or more of a hinderance people won't use it instead of their personal car.

People could even keep their personal car with limited range, or have a hire lease agreement like how you do on e-bikes etc.

It's fine if they're electric I think, and as they could replace personal car ownership the number of cars and personal trips in an individual car should reduce.

It's daft having tons of cars, which are parked up 90% of the time, and just sat there losing money in depreciation. Then it makes it even more stupid when you have 500 people following each other on a road in 400 different cars etc.

Being driverless for a lot of routes should open tons of doors which we've never had prior.
 
Soutra said:
That is the most misleading stat in the history of misleading stats.

Petrol stations have 6 or 8 pumps and it takes 5 minutes to fill up. You hardly ever have to wait.

Trowell services on the M1 southbound yesterday had five cars waiting to use chargers, the guy who was first in line had waited 45 minutes and all the chargers were still in use. He had to wait, didn't have enough charge to get to the next services.
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Aye, this is exactly why I sold our Ioniq 5 after only 3 months. It was through personal experience. And it happened more than once. AND, at the time, I was getting charged nearly £1/kwh at these service stations.
 
MoggasDog said:
Aye, this is exactly why I sold our Ioniq 5 after only 3 months. It was through personal experience. And it happened more than once. AND, at the time, I was getting charged nearly £1/kwh at these service stations.
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Were you not able to charge at home, or perhaps did a very large amount of miles ?
 
m3t4tr0n said:
Were you not able to charge at home, or perhaps did a very large amount of miles ?
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Charging at home was fine, obviously. I hacked our charger to get out 7kw which was the max for the installed cables.
And, yes, the problems came from long journeys.
My requirement is that the EV has to get us to Middlesbrough from the Midlands for visiting family and, of course, the match. The Ioniq was fine in the summer but, in the colder weather, and without a heat pump, the range dropped to a point where we had to charge on the motorway. A few times it was chaos and it put me right off.
 
How do you charge your car overnight if you don't have a drive?

My local authority will not allow you to obstruct the footpath, meaning no cable mats
 
Tryasize10 said:
My local authority will not allow you to obstruct the footpath, meaning no cable mats
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Is this actually true they? I suspect not.

And in answer to your first part. I don't have a home charger installed. I charge once every 3 weeks when I'm at work
 
Tryasize10 said:
Why are you questioning him like this? Do you not believe him because it doesn't fit with your previous experiences? It's a bit odd
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I think it's becasue, unless you constantly do journeys of 500 miles plus or you can't charge from home it's highly unlikely you'd want to go back to ICE after experiencing an EV
 
SmallTown said:
Is this actually true they? I suspect not.

And in answer to your first part. I don't have a home charger installed. I charge once every 3 weeks when I'm at work
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I know somebody at work has had a letter from Gateshead Council saying they are not allowed to trail cables or cables in conduits across the road when his parking area is across the street.

He is still getting an electric car though because there are chargers at the office.

It’s not easy if you don’t have a driveway though so that needs a proper look at by the government.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I know somebody at work has had a letter from Gateshead Council saying they are not allowed to trail cables or cables in conduits across the road when his parking area is across the street.

He is still getting an electric car though because there are chargers at the office.

It’s not easy if you don’t have a driveway though so that needs a proper look at by the government.
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That's shocking that. I'd defo argue back. No question.

And we always loop round to the on street parking argument. The frustrating thing is the solution exists. The lampposts near me have chargers integrated into them. I agree we need a national, concerted roll out of this tech
 
SmallTown said:
That's shocking that. I'd defo argue back. No question.
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As is said a 'grey area' ...

Legally, you are allowed to run a charging cable across the pavement in order to charge your car.

However, if you take a look at the highway act, it does give local councils the power to remove any charging cables across the pavement they feel could be a trip hazard or be dangerous in other ways such as potentially starting a fire.

So, in my borough the local residents association objects as the cables or mats are seen as trip hazards for older people. So they will be removed. Of course no pavement is w/o trip hazards but the argument is that it shouldn't be added to.

So there does need to be a solution where car owners w/o drives can still have the cheaper charging you get from home charging.
 
A colleague of mine is getting a Tesla Y on nhs leasing scheme. He got an email today from Tesla stating he is entitled to 15000 free miles if he charges at a tesla point. I think thats an incredible deal, though he lives in Stockton and he thinks his closest tesla point is either Durham or Scotch Corner, so maybe not. As I am going to retire in the next couple of years it would negatively impact my pension if I use the lease scheme at work. I was going to buy a car when I do leave but may look at leasing if I go EV with an all in one deal with servicing MOT etc. Do all lease companies offer those deals?
 
Redpete said:
I didn't say 9 year old cars are bangers I said

" This is the average age so many will be driving cars that are much older and worth considerably less.
People dont usually drive an old banger by choice its because its all they can afford. "

I doubt very much your millionaire neighbours are using a 15 year old Saab as there main car.
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Not sure if they are millionaires as such, but their house will be in that range. It's the only car they have. You'll see plenty of 10-25 year old vehicles in affluent areas. Lots of people around North Yorkshire have 10-20 year old cars such as a Skoda Yeti, Land Rover, Volvo, Honda or Toyota, etc. Those vehicles are generally known to last a long time with basic maintenance, apart from maybe Land Rover. Many people will buy a car and keep it as long as they can. If they've bought well and maintained it, it's probably going to last 20 years. The problem years ago was rust, but cars these days have much better rust protection. It's fools logic at the end of the day, if you've got a good car that works well, why would you get rid of it and pay a fortune for a new one?
masquesmog said:
As is said a 'grey area' ...
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Not in North Yorkshire, you're not allowed to run cables across the street. But any fool that does deserves to be fined heavily or taken to court.
 
JustTheGent said:
Not in North Yorkshire, you're not allowed to run cables across the street. But any fool that does deserves to be fined heavily or taken to court.
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My reference was to 'pavement'. Irrelevant where I live in London anyway, the local council won't allow you to do it. Of course, they need to know.

But, as my neighbours will have your UPVc windows ripped out, you can guarantee that they will know 😉

Although, as I gave up my car 5 years ago, I probably shouldn't be on this thread. There are lots of charging points in the streets around me. I naively assumed that there was some app/link to yr regular energy supplier so you got yr home pricing 😉
 
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starplayer said:
A colleague of mine is getting a Tesla Y on nhs leasing scheme. He got an email today from Tesla stating he is entitled to 15000 free miles if he charges at a tesla point. I think thats an incredible deal, though he lives in Stockton and he thinks his closest tesla point is either Durham or Scotch Corner, so maybe not. As I am going to retire in the next couple of years it would negatively impact my pension if I use the lease scheme at work. I was going to buy a car when I do leave but may look at leasing if I go EV with an all in one deal with servicing MOT etc. Do all lease companies offer those deals?
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Supercharging a car all the time is dreadful for it.
 
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