No News on Carrick Leaving yet.

zzzzz said:
Wilder will be free soon.
FFS who on earth would want rid of Carrick?!
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I don't want rid of Carrick, I think he's largely been let down by the recruitment team so there is only so much he can achieve. That being said, I have been questioning his decisions at times over the last few weeks and I did when we started the season so poorly. I don't think he knows how to turn things around when things aren't going well. I put it down to being a new experience for him early in the season but he should now be doing something that he has learned from and he isn't. Happy to give him time because I like it when it works but he has to be able to adapt. It is possible that the squad is crap and he is still under-performing with what he has. We've got a midtable squad so if we don't finish midtable then you have to question things.

Hopefully we get an upturn in performances soon and we go onto bigger and better things with Carrick.
 
r00fie1 said:
Gibson sticks by his Managers in spite of recent difficulties and issues since relegation from the Prem.
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I would disagree with this Roofie. Gibbo's history suggest Carrick is in trouble. Robbo avoiding the bullet in 98 is probably the exception.
Aitor would be the exception at the other end of the scale when he was sacked at the top of his peak. He should have been given more time.

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B_G said:
I would disagree with this Roofie. Gibbo's history suggest Carrick is in trouble. Robbo avoiding the bullet in 98 is probably the exception.
Aitor would be the exception at the other end of the scale when he was sacked at the top of his peak. He should have been given more time.

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If we look at the time given to our Managers, it makes it a little clearer:

No. of years, Managers in place at Boro

Rioch - 4 years
Lawrence - 3 years
Robson - 6.5 years
McClaren - 5 years
Southgate - 3 years
Mowbray - 3 years
Karanka 3.5 years
Pulis 1.5 years

Temporary and short-term Managers / Caretakers:
Strachan
Monk
Woodgate
Warnock
 
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r00fie1 said:
If we look at the time given to our Managers, it makes it a little clearer:

No. of years, Managers in place at Boro

Rioch - 4 years
Lawrence - 3 years
Robson - 6.5 years
McClaren - 5 years
Southgate - 3 years
Mowbray - 3 years
Karanka 3.5 years
Pulis 1.5 years

Temporary and short-term Managers / Caretakers:
Strachan
Monk
Woodgate
Warnock
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Was Woodgate appointed as a temporary manager? Was Strachan appointed as a temporary manager? They didn't last long because the performances were deemed not good enough.
You also need to add Wilder to your list who only lasted 11 months.

I think post-Southgate (excuse the pun), Boro managers have only kept their position providing the team is improving towards promotion and Gibson has been ruthless with this. Carrick may get a bit longer because he seemingly still has most of the fans on board and it seems there is a bit more harmony around the club than under previous managers.

But as your list shows, we've only had two managers last more than 2 years in the last 15 years, Mowbray and Karanka. And both were pushed out as soon as results turned against them,

Carrick won't get blind loyalty.
 
r00fie1 said:
If we look at the time given to our Managers, it makes it a little clearer:

No. of years, Managers in place at Boro

Rioch - 4 years
Lawrence - 3 years
Robson - 6.5 years
McClaren - 5 years
Southgate - 3 years
Mowbray - 3 years
Karanka 3.5 years
Pulis 1.5 years

Temporary and short-term Managers / Caretakers:
Strachan
Monk
Woodgate
Warnock
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Strachan
Monk
Woodgate

weren't temp or short term when they were appointed, they were sacked
 
B_G said:
Was Woodgate appointed as a temporary manager? Was Strachan appointed as a temporary manager? They didn't last long because the performances were deemed not good enough.
You also need to add Wilder to your list who only lasted 11 months.

I think post-Southgate (excuse the pun), Boro managers have only kept their position providing the team is improving towards promotion and Gibson has been ruthless with this. Carrick may get a bit longer because he seemingly still has most of the fans on board and it seems there is a bit more harmony around the club than under previous managers.

But as your list shows, we've only had two managers last more than 2 years in the last 15 years, Mowbray and Karanka. And both were pushed out as soon as results turned against them,

Carrick won't get blind loyalty.
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No, but that's not the point. Clearly, Woodgate and Strachan dive-bombed, and it would have been suicidal to continue.
Warnock was brought in as a firefighter.

So, in that context, we can look at those Managers who have had time to establish themselves.

With Karanka there were obvious issues behind the scenes which affected his tenure.
With Tony, over three years we weren't able to reach the desired goal, but he still got three years.

I don't suggest Carrick will get “blind loyalty”, not because he is incompetent, like Strachan, but because it's a longer — term project. Finances and external factors impact our club just like Managers. Some clubs change Managers like shelling peas, like Watford and Norwich, but it doesn't pay in the end. Forest and Leeds, for example did it for over 20 years before they hit the big time again.
At the end of the day it's about money. (y)
 
BMW E34 said:
We all wait for the news will Wednesday result push it closer as its hard to take now with him letting players go like bola that could defend with somebody else's cast off's.
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Marc Bola.... Really?

It always amazes me how players magically get better as soon as they leave.

Shall we bring back Olusanya too? He's scored a few in SPL this season... Bring Grant Hall back to sort the defense out.
 
The only consistent thing with the timing of any of the sackings since we've been a championship club is that managers have been sacked after dreadful runs and the fans haven't been on the manager's side. The only difference between those short term and long term managers is the timing of the runs. If those dreadful runs that got managers sacked had happened earlier or later they would have been sacked earlier or later.

Monk, Wilder and Strachan were sacked prematurely because they were bellends as much as their performances. Carrick is a decent bloke so he'll probably get a bit longer than some but if he is well below Gibson's expectations he'll let him go. If Gibson is expecting promotion and we're nowhere near he won't be happy, if he's expecting midtable and we're battling relegation he won't be happy. If he's expecting promotion and we're battling relegation then it doesn't matter how nice a bloke he is. We don't know what Gibson's expectations for the season are but I'd be very surprised if it's what we have had.
 
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Nano said:
The only consistent thing with the timing of any of the sackings since we've been a championship club is that managers have been sacked after dreadful runs and the fans haven't been on the manager's side. The only difference between those short term and long term managers is the timing of the runs. If those dreadful runs that got managers sacked had happened earlier or later they would have been sacked earlier or later.

Monk, Wilder and Strachan were sacked prematurely because they were bellends as much as their performances. Carrick is a decent bloke so he'll probably get a bit longer than some but if he is well below Gibson's expectations he'll let him go. If Gibson is expecting promotion and we're nowhere near he won't be happy, if he's expecting midtable and we're battling relegation he won't be happy. If he's expecting promotion and we're battling relegation then it doesn't matter how nice a bloke he is. We don't know what Gibson's expectations for the season are but I'd be very surprised if it's what we have had.
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It's an important 12 matches for Carrick. He's got to look like he's turning things round and breathe a bit of optimism into next season.
I see a lot of similarities to Mowbray's position at the end of his last full season. Similarities:

Working on a longer term plan where costs are being cut
Working with a limited squad
Generally well liked by the fans
Try and play an attacking style of football
In a position to mount a promotion challenge at Christmas but form dipped alarmingly.
Struggling to keep goals out

My gut feel is that Carrick will get the same sort of time as Mowbray. He'll get this season and another pre-season to turn it round. I don't think he can afford to start another season like we did last season.
 
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Give him 5 years - I know sounds crazy right now

BUT with the right players he has shown we can compete, simply sacking him and bringing in a new manager won't improve this season

He's got us to the Playoffs and a Cup Semi-Final - that's decent for a rookie manager
 
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