No Masks in Lidl

I’ve seen that headline you posted Zorro used just last week by a sovereign citizen type to defend not wearing a mask.

People are just not prepared to accept that when we find stuff out it means the evidence has changed and we change our point of view.
I actually changed my mask type in the beginning of August after reading this review and that was simply because I take personal responsibility & act that I may have Covid and not know it and I don’t want to pass it on
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
 
My local town firstly imposed a keep left policy on the high street which was marshalled by a couple of people in hi vis and shops has a one way system and queuing outside shops. To be honest the local population did not understand or abide by the keep left, a lot of them are old and most of the remainder are thick.
The council gave up policing the keep left, soon the shopping centre didn't enforce the one way followed by the supermarkets and queuing became non existent apart from the banks. When did the message come out to not enforce or is it because people can not comply. If this is the case then we don't stand a chance in enforcing the use of masks. Yes most people with a sense of responsibility will comply, but we are dragged down to the lowest common denominator.
 
Fluffycarpet said:
I don't see why shops can't take responsibility and refuse entry to people not wearing masks. I was walking down Scarborough sea front and one of the arcades had a big bloke on the door telling people no mask, no entry. It's the only time I've seen it and it was good to see.
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Agree 100%.

1finny said:
The government guidelines to stores is clear - the enforcement is a police matter. There is no way in the world I would ask store colleagues to attempt to police this. It would kick off big style and they don’t deserve to be put in that position
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It isn't about enforcement but the duty of care you have to your staff. If my employer was allowing members of the public to flout the government regulations that required mandatory mask wearing in shops and I contracted Covid I would pursue a personal injury claim against them.

Shops refuse service for many reasons, no shirt, no shoes, too drunk, have a dog with you that isn't a guide dog, no ID when you try to buy fags booze solvent knives, trying to buy too many painkillers, wearing a motorcycle helmet and they're just the ones I've been refused service for, it should be no different for mask wearing.
 
1finny said:
The government guidelines to stores is clear - the enforcement is a police matter. There is no way in the world I would ask store colleagues to attempt to police this. It would kick off big style and they don’t deserve to be put in that position.

Anyone who doesn’t wear a mask also has a get out of jail card. All they have to say to the police is ‘it causes me distress’. It is that simple.

Just back from London and around 30% were either not wearing masks on public transport or thought protecting the chin rather than nose was the answer.
We are miles behind the likes of France in terms of compliance.

We spoke to an American family who said they thought USA was bad for mask wearing until they came over here.:rolleyes:
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There is absolutely no reason why the big stores cannot set the example and refuse to serve people not wearing masks, they should tell them to shop elsewhere. And if the next store did the same they would soon get the message. We are all in this together, we shouldn't need the police to do this.
 
tripleheader said:
There is absolutely no reason why the big stores cannot set the example and refuse to serve people not wearing masks, they should tell them to shop elsewhere. And if the next store did the same they would soon get the message. We are all in this together, we shouldn't need the police to do this.
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There is. Because they would be asking minimum wage, or near minimum wage, staff to enforce it which isn't reasonable.
 
I've found that a lot of older people (over say 45) and many younger people (under say 25) appear to regard wearing of masks as unecessary. The middle ground seem to be much more willing to play the game.

Now this is only my experience and it may be different elsewhere but I have tried to be diligent when looking at those not wearing masks and it seems to hold true for the most part.

With respect to the enforcement, you simply cannot push that onto shop staff - it is unreasonable to expect them to carry out such a task.
 
Capybara said:
There is. Because they would be asking minimum wage, or near minimum wage, staff to enforce it which isn't reasonable.
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They enforce loads of other shop rules every day and no one minds.

It is a health & safety matter for staff, the management should ensure that people coming into the store are wearing a mask for their staffs protection. Failure to do so leaves them open to claims if their staff get sick.
 
It is government legislation with fiscal penalties, let the government enforce the rule, as is the case with every other law. Why should minimum wage employees be doing the job of the police? the answer is they shouldn't. They are not trained to do it and have no powers to enforce the legislation.

It is the governments responsibility to legislate and police those legislations.
 
Smog in Wilts said:
My local town firstly imposed a keep left policy on the high street which was marshalled by a couple of people in hi vis and shops has a one way system and queuing outside shops. To be honest the local population did not understand or abide by the keep left, a lot of them are old and most of the remainder are thick.
The council gave up policing the keep left, soon the shopping centre didn't enforce the one way followed by the supermarkets and queuing became non existent apart from the banks. When did the message come out to not enforce or is it because people can not comply. If this is the case then we don't stand a chance in enforcing the use of masks. Yes most people with a sense of responsibility will comply, but we are dragged down to the lowest common denominator.
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"To be honest the local population did not understand or abide by the keep left, a lot of them are old and most of the remainder are thick. "

In my experience it is not older people who are not complying it is largely youth and twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings. It is them who are putting older people at risk.
 
newusername said:
Agree 100%.



It isn't about enforcement but the duty of care you have to your staff. If my employer was allowing members of the public to flout the government regulations that required mandatory mask wearing in shops and I contracted Covid I would pursue a personal injury claim against them.

Shops refuse service for many reasons, no shirt, no shoes, too drunk, have a dog with you that isn't a guide dog, no ID when you try to buy fags booze solvent knives, trying to buy too many painkillers, wearing a motorcycle helmet and they're just the ones I've been refused service for, it should be no different for mask wearing.
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Shops and shop staff who do not enforce this should not be closed - God knows I don't want to see more jobs at risk - but the staff failing to enforce and ensure compliance should be fined heavily, say a month's wages. I'll get criticised for that - minimum wage staff, etc- sorry but I really don't care, they need to learn just as much as store management do.
 
swordtrombonefish said:
I've found that a lot of older people (over say 45) and many younger people (under say 25) appear to regard wearing of masks as unecessary. The middle ground seem to be much more willing to play the game.

Now this is only my experience and it may be different elsewhere but I have tried to be diligent when looking at those not wearing masks and it seems to hold true for the most part.

With respect to the enforcement, you simply cannot push that onto shop staff - it is unreasonable to expect them to carry out such a task.
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I find its teens to 30 somethings, older people do comply because they are frightened as they are more at risk
 
RavsDad said:
An increasing percentage of the nation seems to suffer from asthma nowadays. Some of these refusenicks who can manage a coherent sentence will probably use that as an excuse. On the spot fines or barred entry would be great if there were anyone able or available the police them. Unfortunately that isn't the case and would probably result in violence - the only language some understand.
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I suffer from asthma but still wear a mask where required. Do find it difficult sometimes and I tend to start coughing. End up getting funny looks from others but just ignore them.
 
swordtrombonefish said:
I've found that a lot of older people (over say 45) and many younger people (under say 25) appear to regard wearing of masks as unecessary. The middle ground seem to be much more willing to play the game.

Now this is only my experience and it may be different elsewhere but I have tried to be diligent when looking at those not wearing masks and it seems to hold true for the most part.

With respect to the enforcement, you simply cannot push that onto shop staff - it is unreasonable to expect them to carry out such a task.
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Store management should be made responsible and they should ensure that all their staff comply.
 
Foggysfplandiet3 said:
Shops and shop staff who do not enforce this should not be closed - God knows I don't want to see more jobs at risk - but the staff failing to enforce and ensure compliance should be fined heavily, say a month's wages. I'll get criticised for that - minimum wage staff, etc- sorry but I really don't care, they need to learn just as much as store management do.
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How the hell is a skinny, untrained, minimum wage 18 year old supposed to 'ensure compliance'? What do you expect them to do with an abusive, aggressive big bloke who refuses to play the game?
 
Laughing said:
It is government legislation with fiscal penalties, let the government enforce the rule, as is the case with every other law. Why should minimum wage employees be doing the job of the police? the answer is they shouldn't. They are not trained to do it and have no powers to enforce the legislation.

It is the governments responsibility to legislate and police those legislations.
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True Laughing but how could overstretched coppers patrol every store even in a place the size of Redcar, let alone Boro or Stockton or The Metro Centre?
 
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