Norman_Conquest
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This was always something I was against but now feel it is the only way Fair Play could work in this country and stop teams dominating the league because they have a fist full of dollars.
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jonny_greenings_sock
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Yeah, I don’t like it either. Football is really about dreams being able to come true, and that’s anybody being able to win trophies and have success. Bit like us in 1996-1997.
When you’ve got nation states funding clubs though, feel like something has got to give.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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You can't go and play NFL at a comparable level anywhere else in the world.
If the EPL brought in a salary cap, which I'm not against, then players would move to other leagues in Europe and beyond.
The EPL would not be the league it is today. I think it would be better but no way will enough of the owners.
Norman_Conquest
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Would you like to see a team(s) full of superstars dominating the league or a league where any team could win?
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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They need to get rid of all this fair play nonsense and replace it with a law specifically targeting Newcastle.
Norman_Conquest
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When I've mentioned fair play, I have meant that all teams are playing on a level playing field regardless of money and all teams should be given an equal budget to work with regardless of their wealth.
That will never happen due to greed.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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As I said, I would prefer a salary cap but the majority of EPL owners won't.
atypical_boro
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I’m just reading about how Arsenal are after Isak and Newcastle may have to sell.
Objectively, it’s hard to see how they will improve year on year if this is the only way they can operate under FFP. He’s their best player, and they’ve gone backwards already this season.
I really think this whole project might end up in a complete financial mess for them.
Doesn’t Mike Ashley specialise in distressed assets?
Objectively, it’s hard to see how they will improve year on year if this is the only way they can operate under FFP. He’s their best player, and they’ve gone backwards already this season.
I really think this whole project might end up in a complete financial mess for them.
Doesn’t Mike Ashley specialise in distressed assets?
Alan_Breck
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Steady Eddie said that some players may be sold to conform to FFP rules, but they may not be first team players. As if he hasn't got enough stress caused by injuries, but he never mentions that in his after match interviews, or does he?
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Champions league income can massively inflate their allowable spend. It needs to be regular though. Won't get very far with a single qualification.
atypical_boro
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Ah yeah, fair enough.
Though they did qualify for it last year and they still need to sell their best player.
viv_andersons_nana
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As alluded to by Nano, one of the biggest issues is that it’s UEFA prize money that distorts domestic competitions to such extreme ends. This will be exacerbated by FIFA guaranteeing 32 clubs another £50m+ with their bloated, 32-team Club World Cup. This will increase the amount of money Manchesters City and United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham have over the other 14 teams in the league and make it even harder for a Villa, Leicester, Newcastle(even with their Saudi backers), Brighton et al to break into the positions that bring both Champions League and Club World Cup qualification.
One of those clubs may do it once but they are at such a financial disadvantage to those serial qualifiers that doing it regularly is nigh-on impossible.
This is without even thinking about what FIFA handing £50m+ to a club from Japan, Egypt, New Zealand, Mexico etc does to the domestic leagues in those countries.
UEFA’s answer to the problems they themselves have created was to create the UEFA Conference League, so that ‘smaller’ clubs had a competition to play in. This is because you can essentially name 7 of the 8 clubs that’ll be in the last eight of the Champions League, if not about 13 or 14 of the last 16, before the preliminary qualifying matches begin in July.
I think it’s too late to stop and turn back now tbh. In fact you’d say it’s going to continue at its current rate as UEFA and FIFA are actually increasing the gap by handing out more and more prize money to the already obscenely wealthy. What can you do but just not buy your subscriptions.
One of those clubs may do it once but they are at such a financial disadvantage to those serial qualifiers that doing it regularly is nigh-on impossible.
This is without even thinking about what FIFA handing £50m+ to a club from Japan, Egypt, New Zealand, Mexico etc does to the domestic leagues in those countries.
UEFA’s answer to the problems they themselves have created was to create the UEFA Conference League, so that ‘smaller’ clubs had a competition to play in. This is because you can essentially name 7 of the 8 clubs that’ll be in the last eight of the Champions League, if not about 13 or 14 of the last 16, before the preliminary qualifying matches begin in July.
I think it’s too late to stop and turn back now tbh. In fact you’d say it’s going to continue at its current rate as UEFA and FIFA are actually increasing the gap by handing out more and more prize money to the already obscenely wealthy. What can you do but just not buy your subscriptions.
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Just qualifying doesn't get you that much. You have to be successful as the bulk of the money is paid based on performances (this year and previous). Newcastle only won one match and drew one so that's only about £3m of the 30% of performance related and coefficient is based on performances over the last 5 years so they get very little of that.
- 25% will be allocated to starting fees (€500.5m);
- 30% will be allocated to performance-related fixed amounts (€600.6m);
- 30% will be allocated to coefficient-based amounts (€600.6m); and
- 15% will be allocated to variable amounts (market pool) (€300.3m).
It is massively set up up so the biggest teams that have the biggest revenues get through the groups and get the biggest performance related payments each year and it is seeded on coefficient so Newcastle in their 1 season have a low rank and aren't seeded so get a really difficult draw so their coefficient doesn't increase much.
jonny_greenings_sock
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I don’t think the Premier League is going anywhere though.
It’s not the most watched league in the world because of superstars (Spain had most of them for the last 20 years). It’s because it’s so competitive, the style of football, the “heritage” of the teams, the English language being global and the TV deals.
Premier League salaries inflate everyone else’s, because we’re the richest league by far (excluding Saudi now I guess, which is artificial).
If we capped a weekly wage at, say, £150k a week, I don’t think Bayern or Real or Ajax or Milan would be rushing to gazump us, I reckon they’d be relieved. PSG would, but the French league is a bit of a toxic graveyard. And even if they did - I still think, do you want to play at Anfield under the lights in the biggest league in the world or in an empty stadium in 40 degrees for Al-Ettifaq for three times the money is a pretty easy decision for most (ambitious) players.