Neil warnock interview on sky now

Signings are such a funny thing. Reckon someone can get a list of the ones the manager made and the ones he didn't?

Mentions of him leaving us in a stronger position with his signings than when he got here, and in the same post saying he was stiched up by the recruitment team signing the wrong players.

Feels ultimately conflicted.

I think we have a good squad at the moment. We have been unfortunate with injuries. Whether a new manager will get a better song from them, time will tell.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Very interesting stuff! Not doubting your info at all mate, but:

(2) Lumley, Peltier, Bamba? Surely Warnock signings, he’s had them all before. And didn’t he have Ameobi at Cardiff?

(4) Payero’s showed some real quality, though you did say this was a few weeks ago and can understand why a manager would be annoyed at £6m spent on a development prospect.
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Bamba is accounted for in the point. I'd imagine Peltier was one of his as well. Not sure on Lumley. We'd had Ameobi before so again not sure.


I think Payero is a long way from showing us he is proper player, anyone could show glimpses. Time will tell I guess.
 
I think it’s been clear for a while that we struggle to get deals over the line. Not sure what’s going on there and I’ve heard some things that reflect badly on the club (agreeing deals then changing the goalposts) - this definitely needs addressing and I’m guessing Scott will be focusing on that.

I felt for Warnock yesterday but having slept on it, his statement was typical Warnock - poor me, blaming others. Pretty undignified really.
This “just need 2 or 3 players” comment he’s been saying for a while now. His recent remarks about the Jan transfer window - not wanting “just foreigners”, digs at the recruitment team “3 FT staff plus Scott” all make him sound very old fashioned and a bit bitter really. Even persuading Gibbo to buy TO as a project seemed a passive aggressive dig at recruitment - I’m sure we’ll hear something about him only being allowed to buy non league players while we splashed the cash elsewhere.

And he’s set it up nicely for the new guy - if he does well it’s all Warnock’s doing, if only he’s been given those 2-3 players he would have had us doing just as well! Any idea who the 5 are that we missed out on that Warnock said would have had us in the top 2 or 3? All just vague statements and blame at the moment.

He rescued us when we needed it after Woodgate. Did well last season until Jan when he ironically was backed with expensive loans and the wheels fell off! As soon as Scott came in you knew there would be problems, he’s just not that type of manager not to want full control. I do think he was treated shoddily if we’d been discussing the new guy with him then bring him in earlier. And not including him in discussions about players.

But it’s not the recruitment team or Bausers fault players aren’t fit or that we have conceded 95% of goals in the second half or not come back to win after going behind or lose so often from winning positions. That sits with Warnock and his team.
 
My take on this whole situation. Warnock has been good for the club, saved us from dropping a league and the indignity of playing for the Papa John's Trophy. We then moved on the next season and looked to challenge at the right end of the table and up until February this year seemed to be having a real good go.

As others have mentioned then Warnock started with some strange behaviour talking about a challenge 'next season' when we were still well in the mix at the time, consequently (or coincidentally, but you have to think his attitude had some impact on the drop off) our form nosedived and we ended up mid table.

The inconsistent form from the back end of last season has carried on into this one. Given the squad we ended up with by the end of the transfer window it is clear recruitment has gone wrong somewhere. We lack balance and numbers in key positions (in fairness a recurring feature of the past few years). Given the regularity with which we end up lacking in numbers in key areas I can well believe some of Warnock's criticism of the recruitment set up as we've seen Boro get out maneuvered in the transfer market on many occasions.

However I do think Warnock was probably going OTT due to his anger at being told to go. For example whilst he might quite rightly be critical about some aspects of the recruitment, he has had a reasonable amount to spend by championship standards (in terms of transfer fees and probably wage budget too) so his claims of 'no support' I would suspect are hyperbolic.

Ultimately, he's probably paid for his job due to 'last season syndrome'. We've seen it in so many different places before, as soon as its known it's your last year performances seem to be an issue, players thinking, "he's off next year so it doesn't matter if I ignore him". Also, the fans start to lose patience more quickly too. I'd guess if Warnock was a younger manager with no hint of retirement on the horizon there wouldn't have been so many people calling for us to make a change and start going in a new direction, particularly with the club only 4 points off the play offs. So he may well have got longer under these circumstances. Yet with knowledge it's Warnock's last year it's easier to say, we're having a poor spell, probably not going to go up, so may as well make a change and start planning for next year under a new manager.

Best wishes to Warnock for the future and hopefully we'll get a cohesive strategy together now between playing and non playing staff so we can move forward.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Neil Bauser and his crew are the problem. Their negotiation skills are a joke and they are the reason deals fell through. They thought they could buy caviar for haribo money but every single player just walked away leaving us with what we have.

I wanted Warnock out but not like this. This is not how we behave. We have taken some fall in recent years.

Gibbo needs to a handle on things and look to sort it out or we'll just become a laughing stock like our friends up the road.
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Fully agree.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Bamba is accounted for in the point. I'd imagine Peltier was one of his as well. Not sure on Lumley. We'd had Ameobi before so again not sure.


I think Payero is a long way from showing us he is proper player, anyone could show glimpses. Time will tell I guess.
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Lumley was his, he had him at QPR and wanted him here.

Ameobi, he apparently wanted to work with him for years, so yes, it's his signing.
 
Ripley11 said:
And he’s set it up nicely for the new guy - if he does well it’s all Warnock’s doing, if only he’s been given those 2-3 players he would have had us doing just as well! Any idea who the 5 are that we missed out on that Warnock said would have had us in the top 2 or 3? All just vague statements and blame at the moment.
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Don't know, but he admitted that we had the chance to sign the brazlian who went to fulham. We had the option in january and warnock said no, so we didn't buy him, then he said yes in the summer but too late and Fulham had got interested.....but apparently it's bauser's fault we didn't get the kid. 🤷‍♂️
 
Happy for the change as it hasnt been a happy place since the Morsey scandal ( Bouser saying not to play him - heard this from a club employee) Warnock not been his usual boyant self since then and I guess the "I told you so" pressers and such confirm the communication breakdown. Its evident on the pitch as well - disjointed and inconsistant - must have been a bad feeling in the dressing room even though they are very decent guys... When love breaksdown changes must be made and it was always gonna be NW that goes.... Hopefully the love is rekindled with BW
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
How could you possibly know this?
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Apparently we tried to sign ChrisTheRed but only offered him a pack of Haribo. The bull some people spout on here is amazing. How can anyone know how Neil Bauser handles contract talks. There is probably him and an agent involved. I would assume its down to what we can afford and the fact we have needed so many players in such a small window.
 
I've said it a 1000 times, it's likely to be solid recruiting players to an area that few want to come to, the further you get from London, or even the North West, the harder it will be.

We used to attract big names as we could pay them more than other clubs, or could take risks on that. We can't really do that now, especially in a time of regrouping/ refinancing.

Gibbo would once have been one of the richest owners of clubs our size, now he's probably way down the list, or way down the list of what additional funds he can put in. Don't forget, he's been lumping his own money into this for 35 years, not many other owners have been doing that.

We've not had any recent long stints in the prem to build some wealth back up, or had a new owner come in and reset the funds.

Not saying recruitment has been great, but it is undoubtedly harder here than in most places.

We seem to be stabilised now, and on better financial footing than we were, we just need to keep building.
 
They've just been talking about it on TalkSport. Simon Jordan said he's already spoken to him and regurgitated the whole finding out the day of the game it was his last but knowing it was coming a week or so before. Jordan not a fan of Wilder for the way he left Sheff United.

Again though, both him and Danny Murphy practically refused to criticise Warnock for his form or the results. It never gets touched on does it by the media? All they talk about are his character.
 
Andy_W said:
I've said it a 1000 times, it's likely to be solid recruiting players to an area that few want to come to, the further you get from London, or even the North West, the harder it will be.

We used to attract big names as we could pay them more than other clubs, or could take risks on that. We can't really do that now, especially in a time of regrouping/ refinancing.

Gibbo would once have been one of the richest owners of clubs our size, now he's probably way down the list, or way down the list of what additional funds he can put in. Don't forget, he's been lumping his own money into this for 35 years, not many other owners have been doing that.

We've not had any recent long stints in the prem to build some wealth back up, or had a new owner come in and reset the funds.

Not saying recruitment has been great, but it is undoubtedly harder here than in most places.

We seem to be stabilised now, and on better financial footing than we were, we just need to keep building.
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Absolutely spot on. That doesn’t mean to let bausor off the hook in any way but this post highlights the challenge plus we’ve had a bloody pandemic and no money coming in.
Some posters just need the ability to step back and consider the bigger picture….and it’s not a simplistic situation.
It’s complex and requires very good personnel and a manager who is kept fully informed as well on the difficulties.
That said, it seems to me that some players Warnock wanted like Alex mowatt who left Barnsley (good player C mid as an example who we were in for) and went to West Brom
Warnock quite possibly knew if we matched West Brom (according to his agents wishes) then he’d be ours; and the likes of bausor said, no. We’ve reached our limit and then go and spend 6m on payero when Warnock knows mowatt is championship ready made you can understand his frustration
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
That said, it seems to me that some players Warnock wanted like Alex mowatt who left Barnsley (good player C mid as an example who we were in for) and went to West Brom
Warnock quite possibly knew if we matched West Brom (according to his agents wishes) then he’d be ours
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they had prem parachute money, we were never going to match them. We might have pushed up the what West Brom paid for him though which might hurt them long term if they don't go up.

I'm not that fussed on Simon Jordan's words though, he's an attention seeking rentaquote
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Absolutely spot on. That doesn’t mean to let bausor off the hook in any way but this post highlights the challenge plus we’ve had a bloody pandemic and no money coming in.
Some posters just need the ability to step back and consider the bigger picture….and it’s not a simplistic situation.
It’s complex and requires very good personnel and a manager who is kept fully informed as well on the difficulties.
That said, it seems to me that some players Warnock wanted like Alex mowatt who left Barnsley (good player C mid as an example who we were in for) and went to West Brom
Warnock quite possibly knew if we matched West Brom (according to his agents wishes) then he’d be ours; and the likes of bausor said, no. We’ve reached our limit and then go and spend 6m on payero when Warnock knows mowatt is championship ready made you can understand his frustration
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Could be down to wages mowatt will have been looking for an increase with their being no fee involved. Also he only scored 8 last season and 3 the year before. I think Payero was a risk but if he could get 10 goals would command a decent fee in the future... all guess work and ifs and buts. I think Mowatt is probably at his peak.
 
No doubt about it, our recruitment team have been poor for years.

There is a part of me that looks back and wonders if Warnock was let down in that respect. Has Warnock's success in the past been down to him having complete control over transfers etc, whereas here that wasn't the case?

I understand the club is now going in a different direction under Scott, and I'm guessing he wanted a different "type" of player bringing in, to the ones Warnock was targeting.

I remember us even having these issues under Pulis. Can remember us missing out on loads of players we'd been linked to, which may explain why we overspent on Saville. He was probably a panic buy.

Only time it seems we've had no problem going out and getting the players the manager wanted was under Monk, but that was because we had money to burn, and it proved to be disastrous. Is this why Gibson is now so wary of allowing managers complete control? He may now have trust issues after being swindled by Monk.
 
I dont believe for one minute that Warnock didnt have some say in transfers. He got 24 new players in 2 seasons lets not forget that fact. Some may have not been his choice but some definitely were.

What I cant understand is, knowing that we had to get a new long term manager at some stage why we gave him a 1 season contract knowing all the issues it would create through the season WITHOUT discussing the fact with Warnock. Like for example who to bring in, how to act when the right manager came available etc. It sounds like the relationship between the manager and the team charged with securing our long term future were not communicating well.
 
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