Mogga sacked

Alzi said:
Not sure many I know have? He did seem quite a divisive character with players and top brass though.

Ultimately Sunderland fans wouldn’t accept his Mourinho lite style of play now and I think like Mourinho, his tactics are outdated.
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Tough choice though. A divisive character who got us our only promotion this century. Or one of the touchy-feely types who did sod all. Hmm, let me think.
 
Alzi said:
Not sure many I know have? He did seem quite a divisive character with players and top brass though.

Ultimately Sunderland fans wouldn’t accept his Mourinho lite style of play now and I think like Mourinho, his tactics are outdated.
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Just start a thread about Karanka on here and you'll soon see a few that slag him. There's loads on here.

"We were promoted despite Karanka" has been said by a few on this board.
 
B_G said:
Just start a thread about Karanka on here and you'll soon see a few that slag him. There's loads on here.

"We were promoted despite Karanka" has been said by a few on this board.
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Fair point but you can’t gloss over the fact he walked out mid season so it’s also true there was an issue that many seem to conveniently forget and it wasn’t all sweetness and light.

My own view is that he’s world class coach but an average manager with a negative slant.

But a top top coach.
 
They never wanted him in the first place. IT almost has a feel of Southgate at England - Unless you win everything, they will quickly turn progress into a negative.

Lets have it right. They got promoted from League 1 and made the play offs and they are this season very much in the hunt for the play offs again. Yes, they are on a bad run - besides Leicester and Ipswich, find me a team that hasn't.

After every defeat they post about him needing to go. They got what they wanted - i hope it ends in disaster for them.
 
B_G said:
Amazing how many Boro fans have turned on Aitor. Boils my p1ss to be honest
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Mowbray was hounded out at Barnsley away, didnt really have a pot to pi$$ in had to make do with 100k buys like Friend, Ledesma and Carayol with the odd exception (Juke, Kamara and Adomah?) and free transfers like Haroun, Martin and Leadbitter and rely on Curtis Main leading the line.

Fans turned on Aitor because we didnt need the Guzans and Valdes' and Barragans and Guedioura and Gestedes of this world we were terrible and made some shocking decisions (including putting Agnew in charge)

Ramirez who played an important role in our promotion (as did Jordan Rhodes who was never given a chance in the Premier League) downed tools and that was that.

And the football at the beginning of Aitor's reign was shocking to watch as it was in the prem playing for 0-0s in the hope we could nick a goal.

No one will forget the feeling they had the day we were automatically promoted at the Riverside and that was down to Aitor and hopefully that feel good factor will come again (or a victory at Wembley)

But sadly i think most fans forget that (including myself) and only remember our gutless return to the top flight and Karanka abandoning his team at Charlton away and almost throwing in the towel then

EDIT I forgot to mention his treatment of Craig Hignett too, but i guess there's 2 sides to a story and we only got to hear Craig's
 
Jedi boro said:
Fair point but you can’t gloss over the fact he walked out mid season so it’s also true there was an issue that many seem to conveniently forget and it wasn’t all sweetness and light.

My own view is that he’s world class coach but an average manager with a negative slant.

But a top top coach.
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I think he worked within a very difficult structure at Middlesbrough where a lot of things were happening behind his back. He maybe didn't handle things the best way but he was still new to management and I personally feel like he was treated very unfairly at times by the club and the fans.

It was a transitional time for Boro where we had employed a Sporting Director for the first time in Victor Orta and I don't think we (as a club) quite got the dynamics right. There are more people than just Karanka who were at fault here. Bausor, Orta, Gibbo are all as much to blame, if not more. There was a lot of things going on at the club, most notably signings of players, that didn't seem to have the full buy in of all parties. Karanka struggled to deal with frustrations professionally but he was not the only man at fault. I think Middlesbrough learned lessons from it and there seems to be a more lot more collaboration now under Kieron Scott.
 
Alzi said:
Not sure many I know have? He did seem quite a divisive character with players and top brass though.

Ultimately Sunderland fans wouldn’t accept his Mourinho lite style of play now and I think like Mourinho, his tactics are outdated.
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Maybe we don't need a new thread, they'll just turn up here 😁
 
Davey_C said:
Mowbray was hounded out at Barnsley away, didnt really have a pot to pi$$ in had to make do with 100k buys like Friend, Ledesma and Carayol with the odd exception (Juke, Kamara and Adomah?) and free transfers like Haroun, Martin and Leadbitter and rely on Curtis Main leading the line.
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It was the right time for Mowbray to go. It had been p1ss poor for weeks. We couldn't keep the ball out our net. That does not take away from the fact Mowbray had done a good job for us in a difficult period of time but he was not getting a tune out of those

Aitor came in and turned the same squad around. Yes, he played pragmatic football. That is exactly what was needed at the time. We did play some pretty decent football in his second and third season. But most of all, he got us promoted and to a play off final which no other manager has done in 15 years despite 10 having a go.
 
B_G said:
Maybe we don't need a new thread, they'll just turn up here 😁
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For what it is worth I thought he did a great job overall and we were a quality championship team for two seasons under him. I didn't mind the style of play but can see why our current way of playing is the better long term method. I think Karanka got a massive shock and realised he actually had it pretty good here when he went on to manage two basket case clubs in the Championship, not lasting long at either.
 
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FishofContemplation said:
Tough choice though. A divisive character who got us our only promotion this century. Or one of the touchy-feely types who did sod all. Hmm, let me think.
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Easy choice for me, not so much for Gibbo it seemed. Sacking him and leaving Agnew in charge with a good chunk of the PL season remaining still confuses me to this day.
 
Alzi said:
Easy choice for me, not so much for Gibbo it seemed. Sacking him and leaving Agnew in charge with a good chuck of the PL season remaining still confuses me to this day.
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Davey mentioned Mowbray was hounded out. Karanka suffered a lot more hostility and was hounded out. Despite promoting us 6 months earlier. But unlike Mowbray, his successor couldn't do anything to stop the rot, in fact it got worse. indicating maybe the manager wasn't the problem, but the players were. The recruitment was terrible, and it's clear he had little to no say on this. He was our best chance of keeping us up. We sacked him with absolutely no contingency which in my opinion is Gibbo's worst moment. I fully believe had we stuck with Karanka, we would have competed to bounceback had we been relegated. Instead we appointed Agnew which was a disaster and then Monk who spunked away the parachute payments.
 
I think Tony Mowbray was over performing.. add a new manager into the mix and there is potentially trouble there.
Also down the other end of the table Rotherham and QPR are looking primed for a Mowbray/Warnock rescue plan.

Sunderland at 200-1 to be relegated isn't as mad as you might think.

1 ppg for the next four games leaves them smack bang in the middle of the season, half way with 22 points.
two teams went down on 44 points last season.
 
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18MFC76 said:
Talk of Graham Potter amongst them. Graham Potter who was on 200k a week at Chelsea supposedly. They have more chance of getting Harry Potter.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Radcliffe is genuinely in the frame for the job, for the next series of STID or whatever.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I've had a look at the Mogga post on their site and they're anything but deluded. The vast majority think he's been very good for them, which he has been. They're talking about some of the best football they've seen at the SOL.
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The Sunderland fans I know think he's done a great job and they're right, he absolutely has.

It doesn't seem to be a cohesively run club under the current ownership, I think they'll need to pull something out of the hat to improve on Moggas record.
 
B_G said:
I fully believe had we stuck with Karanka, we would have competed to bounceback had we been relegated. Instead we appointed Agnew which was a disaster and then Monk who spunked away the parachute payments.
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The problem with this is, a lot of our fans would have expected us, as a newly relegated team, to go after the opposition and put 3 and 4 past teams, which wouldn't have happened playing the Karanka way.

I was pro AK and wanted him to stay in the prem, but if we did go down under him, the time would have been right for a change (just not Monk and the resultant madness)
 
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