Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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And they still won't bloody let us in :ROFLMAO:

Next review date for entry is due soon so hopefully some positive news as we're booked out there in September.
 
We did beforehand to be honest. There's a lot to be said for massive country with few people in it. Really makes you appreciate how densely populated the UK is by comparison.

The scale of the place came as a real shock the first time I started working there, google maps can be deceptive :)
 
Why don’t we just have a Taiwan v Sweden footy play off final.
Winners take the crown and we follow that model of fighting viruses going forward.

Probably as good as the guessing games we‘ve had.
 
Ireland makes an interesting comparison. We have similar levels of health care provision in terms of number of hospital and ICU beds per head of population. They responded far more quickly, locking down early and it appears to have made a considerable difference to the number of deaths per head of population. It might be that Ireland has a younger demographic (I don't know) and that might account for the better mortality figures?

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It would be interesting to compare how long they locked down for, I suspect it might have been shorter over all c.f. UK.

Graph above from FT modelling tool

There has, at some point in the near future, to be a full and independent enquiry into the response of our Government and how it has managed all aspects of the Pandemic response and that must include looking at the comparative effect of locking down and not locking down, what measures were effective and where the response was flawed.
 
Muttley said:
Ireland makes an interesting comparison. We have similar levels of health care provision in terms of number of hospital and ICU beds per head of population. They responded far more quickly, locking down early and it appears to have made a considerable difference to the number of deaths per head of population. It might be that Ireland has a younger demographic (I don't know) and that might account for the better mortality figures?

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It would be interesting to compare how long they locked down for, I suspect it might have been shorter over all c.f. UK.

Graph above from FT modelling tool

There has, at some point in the near future, to be a full and independent enquiry into the response of our Government and how it has managed all aspects of the Pandemic response and that must include looking at the comparative effect of locking down and not locking down, what measures were effective and where the response was flawed.
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The problem with this graph is the "attributed to covid" part. The excess mortality figures probably give a better picture.

And, with regards to Finalnd and Norway, Sweden has a very different demographic and population spread.
It's probably closer to Denmark mind.

Where they really screwed up was allowing it to get into their care home system (though I don't think they actually seeded it into care homes like we did in the UK).
 
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The problem with this graph is the "attributed to covid" part. The excess mortality figures probably give a better picture.
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Agreed but I think there is a fairly close correlation in figures (COVID attrib v Excess Mort) in "first world" countries.
 
I always knew Fabio would laugh at the thought of no lockdowns.

One wonders if he's taken into account the catching up a generation of kids will need to do, some will be successful, most won't be. The generation of babies and toddlers who've regressed during lockdowns through black of social contacts, even with their own families.
The economic catastrophe that the globe now finds itself in which funnily enough can't be attributed to just brexit.

I could go on but I stand by my view that lockdowns shouldn't have ever happened and medical and social services should have been funded correctly instead of spunking millions at stickers on floors, one way systems in open areas, phone apps that don't work and PPE that doesn't do anything other than make the dealer (usually China) richer.
 
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I always knew Fabio would laugh at the thought of no lockdowns.

One wonders if he's taken into account the catching up a generation of kids will need to do, some will be successful, most won't be. The generation of babies and toddlers who've regressed during lockdowns through black of social contacts, even with their own families.
The economic catastrophe that the globe now finds itself in which funnily enough can't be attributed to just brexit.

I could go on but I stand by my view that lockdowns shouldn't have ever happened and medical and social services should have been funded correctly instead of spunking millions at stickers on floors, one way systems in open areas, phone apps that don't work and PPE that doesn't do anything other than make the dealer (usually China) richer.
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Where to start with that...

1. "the catching up a generation of kids will need to do" they all start with pretty much equal disadvantage vs the people they will be competing against - those of their own age group

2. "some will be successful, most won't be" I could say that most WILL be successful, I don't know, neither do you. that's just your bias

3. "The generation of babies and toddlers who've regressed during lockdowns through black of social contacts, even with their own families." Nah kids are more resilient than you credit them with, this was their "normal". I'm not saying that some kids have not been adversely affected but most haven't. Ask those who have lost a parent or other close relative how COVID has affected them.

4. "my view that lockdowns shouldn't have ever happened" not supported by any empirical evidence, where lockdowns were applied promptly they had a measurable affect on excess mortality.

5. " medical and social services should have been funded correctly" of course they should have been. Sadly the stable door had been left open and the horses had long since skedaddled. As shown by the ludicrous construction of the emotively named "Nightingale Hospitals" you can't simply magic doctors and nurses out of thin air (not helped with telling a sizeable chunk of them that they are not wanted in our country)

6. " stickers on floors, one way systems in open areas" if you are trying to reduce transmission of an airborne virus it is a sensible idea to keep people from bunching together. Doesn't make a lot of difference but when you are talking about infections in their thousands even preventing a small percentage of infections helps.

7. "phone apps that don't work" got to keep those Party Donors on the gravy train.

8. "PPE that doesn't do anything" well proper PPE does do something you might have noticed surgeons wearing masks in theatre? That's because it does "something". Of course getting your mates to buy useless tat purporting to be PPE is another top way to get your mates' noses in the trough.
 
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