I actually looked at these figures about 10am. Basically you can say they’ve had around 3k excess deaths because of covid.
for the U.K. to performed as comparable on population it would have to have been 21k. Excess
Yes, I know it does, but that does not include ALL the deaths up to 30th December, it includes only the REPORTED deaths up to the 30th of December, and they take 2-4 weeks to report them in full.
This is what I mean, this is from the same site, anywhere from from about week 48/50 is not complete, unless you think next to nobody died in the last two weeks, and that the peak suddenly dropped off a cliff despite cases rapidly increasing.
You're using incomplete data.
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We've done $hit too, never said we haven't. I've slated us more than anyone else on here.954 deaths per million is better than Boris brigade are mismanaging. If their incompetence has cost 9k lives what word would you use to describe Johnson's 80k.
Comparing to the other Nordic countries is the closest and simplest comparison and they've no excuse, that's my take, you're welcome to yours, that's the joy of a forum.Bored with saying this but Sweden is not comparable with Norway, Denmark and Finland. Very different in terms of population, poor immigrant/refugee population, population density in the big cities etc
They also had a much more difficult start with many Swedes coming back to the southern cities from Northern Italy (skiing).
You can say that their method has "failed" if you like, but you can also say the same of some countries that went with very strict lockdowns. As I have said many times though, it's not just premature to judge, it's distasteful.
They have conceded that mistakes were made. Quite openly. But they haven't had the total ctastrophe that some people here seem to want to crow about.
Edit: on a good news front, there appears to be a downturn in ICU admissions. They may just have passed the winter peak.
Your opinion on those shooting this system down is misguided, certainly of me anyway.I know more people that have gone on holiday to Sweden in the last 12 months than have gone to Italy. Just an observation.
Anyway, the desire for Sweden's approach to be rendered just as useless and ineffective as the rest of the worlds is palpable. Quite sad, really. Fair play to them for having the guts initially to do what they thought best for their own country, and then to admit they have made mistakes.
Similar situation we now see with Brexit. One gets the sense some people cannot wait for things to fall apart. Constant reporting of every minor hiccup. Surprised we havent got a counter online tracking each second a lorry driver is stationary or something.
Everyone wants their "i told you so" moment. Even if achieving it means both sides must lose.
No it’s not. It is called common sense. New Zealand is the country that can prove that. Also The success of Far East countries that have had experience previously with SARS knew lockdown was the only way to go.I have to admit I'm a bit baffled by all the statistics and as a bit of a thicko I am at a bit of a disadvantage, but doesn't the fact that we all had a big lockdown in March and April and saw a big decrease in cases and deaths afterwards, then in July and August we were all told "eat it to help out/get p****d you're not on the naughty list" then in September October big increases, prove that Lockdowns are effective?
Or is that overly simplistic?
Comparing to the other Nordic countries is the closest and simplest comparison and they've no excuse, that's my take, you're welcome to yours, that's the joy of a forum.
Your argument of being different is no excuse for having 4 x as many deaths as those three combined though from 50% less people. Even the Swedish king and PM say the same.
Sweden has it's own skiing, and practically every European country has tons of people going to Northern Italy skiing, I've even been myself (from England), poor excuse.
Sweden's death rate was similar to Spain's and Italy's who had a much, much bigger problem initially, and they had much less notice than anyone (unlike Sweden), those two actually get the tourists from everywhere. If they didn't get it first then their numbers would be pretty low as they got a grip on it.
It's more distasteful to kill people or not protect them, or distasteful to declare the pandemic over and that you had herd immunity, but Tegnel did that and you agreed, despite the entire worlds experts saying, nope, you're wrong.
Good to see their ICU admissions down, looks like their lockdowns and additional measures that the PM and king pleaded for have worked
The fact the medical staff from various hospitals are calling this a third wave of influx all after lockdown shows they workI have to admit I'm a bit baffled by all the statistics and as a bit of a thicko I am at a bit of a disadvantage, but doesn't the fact that we all had a big lockdown in March and April and saw a big decrease in cases and deaths afterwards, then in July and August we were all told "eat out to help out/get p****d you're not on the naughty list" then in September October big increases, prove that Lockdowns are effective?
Or is that overly simplistic?