McGree’s transfer request?

I said it at the time and will say it again now. Letting Akpom go, by not paying him what he wanted, was a crazy decision.

His goals weren't even his most important contribution arguably. The way we could ping the ball into him and he would hold it and start attacks was his killer contribution.

Now we ping those balls into halfway and it comes straight back at us with interest. We could put Akpom back into this team now and would look instantly almost as good as last season.
 
Kieran Scott has recruited 21 of the 28 players on the club website shown as Men's first team; our current awful squad.
Yet some how our best players still aren't players he's signed. Out of the 7 players he hasn't signed, 5 of them are starters. Because the ones he is signing aren't good enough to displace them.

Sure from an FFP perspective Gibson has scope, but he had scope last summer.
Exactly!! I don't understand why people think he's going to go out and spend any differently than he did last year. There was headroom there.
 
McGree is indisputably one of our best players. Technically possibly the best.
Of course it would be a loss if he left.

Our squad 12 months ago featured Akpom, Archer, Ramsey, Forss, McGree. Jones and Crooks couldn't get on the pitch. Muniz couldn't make the bench.
Hackney and Howson had Mowatt as competition/support. Barlaser could barely make the bench.
We conceded lots of goals as our GK and CB's were average at best. Giles and Bola were very good and decent at LB.

Our current squad features Forss, McGree and Jones. Plus the stellar acquisitions of Silvera, Gilbert, Latte Lath, Greenwood and Azaz. Oh and the return of Hoppe. Our squad is dramatically weaker in the final third.
An ageing Howson, with Hackney is still our best pairing in midfield. We now have O'Brien for Mowatt - not an upgrade. Barlaser is still Barlaser. We've made no progress here.
We recruited 3 Keepers and Dieng is an improvement. The other 2??
The LB's have gone and we've recruited 4 shockers.
The RB's we had are still here and we've added Ayling who is done.
VdB is a good recruit with obvious promise, but is very raw. We have conceded even more goals, despite bringing in 9 GK's/defenders.

A year ago today we had played the same 35 match number.
We were 3rd, 7 points behind 2nd placed Sheff U and very optimistic. We were 6 points inside the Play off zone and 28 points above the relegation zone.
We are now 12th, 31 points behind 2nd place Ipswich, 10 points outside the play offs and just 9 points above the drop.
We've scored a lot less and conceded a lot more.

They are not selective figures, they are facts, direct comparisons.

How can anybody say our squad has not regressed?
Or our performance has not collapsed?

In today's binary world the focus seems to have to be on one person.

Kieran Scott has recruited 21 of the 28 players on the club website shown as Men's first team; our current awful squad.
In his 5 transfer windows he's sold Tavernier, Spence and Akpom to generate the surplus BoroMart blathers on about. They weren't remotely his products. It is like crediting pulis with the sales of Bamford and Gibson.
We've also moved on Crooks and Payero covering combined outstanding book value.
Which leaves Rogers who he couldn't wait to sell as soon as he generated interest.
He has had a stinker. The squad is weaker, the season has been terrible.
We have bought badly and borrowed badly.

But it is not JUST Scott is it?
Carrick has been dealt a hand of 4's, 5's and 6's, there is no doubt. And there have been injuries, of course there has.
But he is also culpable and has made some really odd choices. The team have not played anything like the football they played last season
I choose to look back at the squad of 22/23. It had defensive frailty and a lack of midfield cover, but Carrick got very good players to improve and perform.
His main problem this season is that he doesn't have the quality.
But he's consistently said how pleased he is with his squad. He's talked himself into the spotlight and sadly, scrutiny.

I just do not understand how anyone thinks our squad needs just 4 players from what it currently is to be a promotion contender. It beggars belief.
McGree, Jones and Dijksteel are all going into their final year. If they are sold they will need replacing.
If Hackney is cashed in on, or Forss is sold they will also need replacing. Hackney would be a massive loss.
If McNair does move on, as seems likely then he will be a loss.
Howson (good as he is) will start next season as a 36 year old. He needs replacing.
The loanees will hopefully all go back. They are not good enough, with the possible exception of Greenwood.

The talk was of models and structures and building...

Sure from an FFP perspective Gibson has scope, but he had scope last summer.
Why does anybody think he will do anything other than let Scott keep on keeping on?
Until he finally needs the scapegoat and it will be seeya Michael.
This post was spot on until you said ‘with the possible exception of Greenwood’ - credibility shot in 6 words
 
I said it at the time and will say it again now. Letting Akpom go, by not paying him what he wanted, was a crazy decision.

His goals weren't even his most important contribution arguably. The way we could ping the ball into him and he would hold it and start attacks was his killer contribution.

Now we ping those balls into halfway and it comes straight back at us with interest. We could put Akpom back into this team now and would look instantly almost as good as last season.
We didn't let Akpom go and we are not selling McGree.
 
I said it at the time and will say it again now. Letting Akpom go, by not paying him what he wanted, was a crazy decision.

His goals weren't even his most important contribution arguably. The way we could ping the ball into him and he would hold it and start attacks was his killer contribution.

Now we ping those balls into halfway and it comes straight back at us with interest. We could put Akpom back into this team now and would look instantly almost as good as last season.
Totall agreed at the time, false economy - we got the fee, but the potential windfall for promotion would have dwarfed that, we weren't prepared to take the risk for the reward. We've probably spent the fee we received on Lath, Azaz and Bangura already and more than his wages on O'Brien, Greenwood, Ayling and Thomas
 
I said it at the time and will say it again now. Letting Akpom go, by not paying him what he wanted, was a crazy decision.

His goals weren't even his most important contribution arguably. The way we could ping the ball into him and he would hold it and start attacks was his killer contribution.

Now we ping those balls into halfway and it comes straight back at us with interest. We could put Akpom back into this team now and would look instantly almost as good as last season.
There’s a presumption that he would ever have signed an extension regardless what we offered
 
We had headroom last season. But didn't spend in that way
We head room for one more big signing and that would take us to our limit at the time. But we didn’t want to blow it on a panic buy after a couple of deals fell through
 
We head room for one more big signing and that would take us to our limit at the time. But we didn’t want to blow it on a panic buy after a couple of deals fell through
So we had room in August and failed to make the big signing that we needed. We then had 4 months to prepare for January and still failed to make the big signing. On top of that, we sold Rogers for a big fee increasing our headroom further.

Excuse me for not having a load of confidence that we are going to make the 4 quality signings needed happen this window.
 
errr, I refute that, I was answering the specific point about how our club had gone backwards over 12 months.....if I answered by comparing it to 36 months ago, that would be disingenuous.

I agree to an extent, but, their hands were tied with FFP and they inherited an absolutely underwhelming sh!tshow with players like Britt seeing out massive contracts.


I've already addressed this, they weren't the only players we lost of any note were Crooks who was 30 and Akpom whose value 12 months earlier was pretty much 1m at max. I agree that our loans haven't been as good this time, but I'd say that was more that we did exceptionally well 12 months ago beyond what is usually feasible and that shouldn't be held up as the standard expectation from loan players.


It is a tight budget certainly was for the previous couple of years before this, and hes brought in some excellent players, they're not all gonna be great (Hoppe), but he's had more hits than misses.


I don't agree, Dieng, Rav, Lenihan, Forss, McGree Hackney, Fry is a good squad to build on. Lath, Engel, Bangura, Howson, Coburn, Azaz lots of decent depth. What we need is 4 starteers next season, and good quality ones in key positions.
Just 40% of the team then.
 
Just watched the Inside Matchday from the Norwich game, and noticed players were making an effort to acknowledge McGree after the end of nearly every move/goal even when he wasn't really involved. I could be making something out of nothing here, but that says to me he hasn't had the easiest of times, the injury obviously causing issues for him this season and perhaps even seeing all the discussion about him online etc.

Great player especially when he's on it, would love to see him get a goal tomorrow.
 
I think overall what it shows is that we generally performed below expectations this season. And that matches up with what I see at the games, we have thrown so many games away this season through poor defending, stupid goals conceded, poor decision making, bad finishing, the list is endless.

The question is, is that just what our squad is - one that isn't quite good enough and is actually quite poor. Or is that we aren't reaching the standards that you would expect from the players we have. I think it is the latter - I don't think there is a single player in our squad who you can look at and say yes, they've had a consistently excellent season. They've all had good spells but they've also all had very average spells. And the manager isn't blameless, he has made poor decisions on starting line-ups at times and in-game management.

So going back to the earlier point, I don't think the squad is the issue, it's the application. And we just haven't been good enough this season on too many occasions.

It only has us up to 6th though, even if we did put our chances away as expected and conceded as expected, so even the expected outcome is not that great, but it's even worse if you don't finish what you're supposed to.

Had we scored at the same rate as last year, and outperformed xG we would be ~15 goals better off by now, and probably be 3rd/ 4th, which seems about right. Our strikers, team and squad are a mile away from doing this though, but 2-3 (better than everything we have) would make a massive difference, like it did last year.

The squad to me seems low play offs at best (less injuries and disruptions), to low mid table at worst, but it's hard to tell as we've had a lot of disruption and injuries. Whether we've had more than average I don't know, but I would guess so.

We're crying out for some +xG strikers though, and every team which goes up usually has those.

The better players who have been consistent have largely been injured or missing, Lenihan, Dieng, Jones, McGree, Latte Lath and maybe even Fry also.

The most minutes of any player is Fry, but even then he's only on ~2500, and there's been ~3300 played based on assumed 95 minute games. We only have 4 players who have played more than 2000 minutes, and if you look at any of the top 6 teams they're all well above us in minutes played per player, especially their better players. Loads have 2-3 on 3000 minutes +, and way more 2000's than us.

This is why I'm not blaming Carrick at all, he doesn't have great tools, and even the ones he's had have been injured or away. The squad is in transition to be geared to play football, so it's very difficult to play a different style which does not suit the players, especially if you're missing a large portion of your best 11 for a lot of the season. i.e we can't go playing lump ball with no strikers, or using Forss as a lone striker etc, plus it's the opposite to how the players have been coached, as even Warnock and Wilder were not exactly lump ball merchants.

For me it's lack of star quality, lack of availability and lack of depth.
 
So we had room in August and failed to make the big signing that we needed. We then had 4 months to prepare for January and still failed to make the big signing. On top of that, we sold Rogers for a big fee increasing our headroom further.

Excuse me for not having a load of confidence that we are going to make the 4 quality signings needed happen this window.
We failed to get the striker we wanted in the summer but had enough with Rogers. When Rogers got tapped up we were in january scrambling for a striker, but decided against panic buying. You don't get value in January and as you rightly pointed out, value is important.

We made 3 or 4 quality signings last summer Dieng, Rav, Rogers, and Lath. You could also include O'brien, maybe Bangura we don't know with injuries. It certainly isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

Bottom line is when Scott came in 2 1/2 years ago, the squad was a mess, it had been chronically underfunded since the Monk splurge, largely because of the impact of that splurge and FFP regulations. It was always going to take multiple windows to turn it around and to ride out the impact of the Monk and Pulis spend
 
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