Mask wearing post pandemic

[FatCat]

If someone makes a decision to do something daft, why not call them out?

Sadly the gvt have left it to the publics own common sense and therein is half the problem. You know the options wear one don’t wear one - why we have to have so much tv coverage debate and so on is astounding. Do what you think is best full stop.

 

[Adi_Dem]

Smoking and drinking kills far more people, are you suggesting Prohibition? Cars kill lots of people, are you suggesting we close the roads?

Smoking and drinking are regulated. Cars are regulated. This isn't at all, which is the point. You haven't really thought that one through have you?

I have decided not to wear a mask

Then you're a selfish pr*ck.

 

[Uwefuchs]

Its really, really simple. If we are opening more things up then it is likely that the virus will spread more aggressively. If you expect a situation to get worse then surely you should put/keep some measures in place to maintain a semblance of control.

Would it have caused that much inconvenience to the majority of the general public to keep social distancing and mask wearing in place for a little bit longer so we can assess the impact of releasing the controls?

I get it, we have to learn to live with this virus. But, you need a plan for living with the virus. What we are proposing now is to just open up and cross our fingers for everything to be ok. Theres no plan at all, and as usual the government will have to react rather than be in control if things get worse.

 

[Uwefuchs]

As for individual choice and responsibility that the government (and some people on here are advocating) then just be aware that your individual choice and freedom may still impact on others.

There are lots of things in life that are not illegal but may still put others at risk.

I would much rather the government preached about collective responsibility than individual responsibility.

 

[SmallTown]

Its really, really simple. If we are opening more things up then it is likely that the virus will spread more aggressively. If you expect a situation to get worse then surely you should put/keep some measures in place to maintain a semblance of control.

Would it have caused that much inconvenience to the majority of the general public to keep social distancing and mask wearing in place for a little bit longer so we can assess the impact of releasing the controls?

I get it, we have to learn to live with this virus. But, you need a plan for living with the virus. What we are proposing now is to just open up and cross our fingers for everything to be ok. Theres no plan at all, and as usual the government will have to react rather than be in control if things get worse.

You've seen the anger from people on this thread who don't want to wear masks. That's the issue with having a populist government they'll pander to the people who will shout the loudest. It's a spineless out for them to do it this way. The angry anti maskers can't complain because they've got their pandemic spreading risk. Us cautious people can't complain because the government has told us to one socially responsible so it's our fault WHEN the virus spreads worse and kills more people. Whilst the angry maskers and their ilk are being pandered too, the goverbnembnt can get away with anything. Including in this case admissible manslaughter. Alexander Johnson actually said yesterday we will have to accept more deaths. That's a frightening thing to hear. I'm going to carry out an action to make myself more popular and you, the public, will have to accept that it will kill some of you.

 

[Adi_Dem]

I get it, we have to learn to live with this virus. But, you need a plan for living with the virus. What we are proposing now is to just open up and cross our fingers for everything to be ok. Theres no plan at all, and as usual the government will have to react rather than be in control if things get worse.

Exactly this. The key point for me is that we are opening up with a partially vaccinated society. 25 million people are not vaccinated. No other country in Europe is adopting this approach. It is herd immunity through the back door and it is dangerous. The biggest risk is mutation amd we are willingly and recklessly deciding to adopt the conditions for that very outcome. And people are moaning about wearing a mask. Selfish pricks.

 

[festa5]

There will always be risks in every part of life. Smoking and drinking kills far more people, are you suggesting Prohibition? Cars kill lots of people, are you suggesting we close the roads?

I have decided not to wear a mask, Or are you suggesting we do until there are zero cases of covid?

Not at all.

But for cars we have driving tests, speed limits and seat belts etc to reduce the risk.

Smokers are not allowed to smoke indoors in public places to protect others.

It's not stopping people doing things but its about mitigating risk and protecting others.

What is it about wearing masks in some situations you are (presumably) so opposed to?

 

[Derby_Red]

There will always be risks in every part of life. Smoking and drinking kills far more people, are you suggesting Prohibition? Cars kill lots of people, are you suggesting we close the roads?

I have decided not to wear a mask, Or are you suggesting we do until there are zero cases of covid?

Not this again. You can't catch a car crash off someone else though can you?

 

[Same_as_before]

Same question to everyone else who has decided not to wear a mask: What if you spread covid to the vulnerable?

Also the Car comparison is incorrect. Locking down is suggesting we close the roads. Wearing a mask is suggesting we wear a seatbelt

How does a pedestrian wear a seat belt?

Like almost everyone I have followed the rules, as I will be going forward. The fact the amateur doctors and scientists are telling me not to will not change that.

I will cross the road at pedestrian crossings. It makes no difference if the driver is peed up

 

[red_harrington]

Nice one liner. What are you doing to stop the spread?

Same as most people, I wear a mask in shops, garages etc.

I use disinfectant to clean my hands when entering buildings

I maintain a distance when amongst other people.

Not hard really, you get used to it.

PS oh and I make posts on here in the hope that someone takes this sensible advice on board

 

[Andy_W]

I don't think people realise that what was announced yesterday wasn't choice but responsibility. Instead of the legal mandate, personal responsibilites should continue. From the three at the conference, the only situation where one person (BJ) said he wouldn't wear a mask was late at night in an otherwise empty rail carriage.

I don't think that's responsibility though, that's what might have been said, but some guy not wearing a mask on the tube and passing onto 3 rather than 2 people won't feel once ounce of responsibility, and neither will they have to suffer for their actions (they probably won't even know). It's not responsibility when you have next to nothing at risk, and you're increasing risk everywhere else.

The problem we will have is the people who have the ability to be responsible, will be and those that don't, or don't want to, won't, there's pages of evidence in this thread that this could be the case.

It's like making a doctor responsible for one leg amputation, and a clown responsible for the other, it's just not a good idea.

You can't give people too much of a choice, on complex issues, when people are still saying crap like "masks don't protect you", not realising that is not their main aim, and they do still offer minor protection (in line with the quality of the mask).

They could have just said (for now):
Keep masks on for public transport
Keep masks on in shops
Take masks off in pubs/ restaurants
Take masks off if you have a valid medical issue

Then once we're over the hill (a few months), we can remove masks in all settings

 

[Adi_Dem]

Not this again. You can't catch a car crash off someone else though can you?

He just hasn't thought it through. Drinking is regulated in terms of age, what you can do after taking a drink etc etc. Smoking is regulated in terms of age and where you can smoke. Driving is regulated by age, speed limits, seatbelts, the rules of the road, insurance etc. None of those are analogous to what is being discussed here which is essentially wearing a piece of cloth over your mouth and nose to reduce the risk that you inadvertently pass a deadly virus to folk. It's just beyond a no brainer and I can't even believe people are arguing about it. Put the mask on you selfish ******. It's that simple.

 

[Same_as_before]

Not at all.

But for cars we have driving tests, speed limits and seat belts etc to reduce the risk.

Smokers are not allowed to smoke indoors in public places to protect others.

It's not stopping people doing things but its about mitigating risk and protecting others.

What is it about wearing masks in some situations you are (presumably) so opposed to?

Exactly I agree with you, there are laws about seat belts and driving, I follow them. I intend to follow whatever the law on Masks is. I am not going to follow the advice of a message board.

 

[SmallTown]

How does a pedestrian wear a seat belt?

Like almost everyone I have followed the rules, as I will be going forward. The fact the amateur doctors and scientists are telling me not to will not change that.

I will cross the road at pedestrian crossings. It makes no difference if the driver is peed up

I think you're absuing the anaolgy now so I'm out with that one. You obviously didn't get my explanation. So I'll ask you this:

Same question to everyone else who has decided not to wear a mask: What if you spread covid to the vulnerable?

 

[Same_as_before]

You've seen the anger from people on this thread who don't want to wear masks. That's the issue with having a populist government they'll pander to the people who will shout the loudest. It's a spineless out for them to do it this way. The angry anti maskers can't complain because they've got their pandemic spreading risk. Us cautious people can't complain because the government has told us to one socially responsible so it's our fault WHEN the virus spreads worse and kills more people. Whilst the angry maskers and their ilk are being pandered too, the goverbnembnt can get away with anything. Including in this case admissible manslaughter. Alexander Johnson actually said yesterday we will have to accept more deaths. That's a frightening thing to hear. I'm going to carry out an action to make myself more popular and you, the public, will have to accept that it will kill some of you.

We'll stop voting for them. Vote Labour.

 

[Adi_Dem]

Exactly I agree with you, there are laws about seat belts and driving, I follow them. I intend to follow whatever the law on Masks is. I am not going to follow the advice of a message board.

So the rules are that it is up to you whether to wear a mask or not. So what will you choose to do?

 

[SmallTown]

We'll stop voting for them. Vote Labour.

We will (well the first sentence at least)

Same question to everyone else who has decided not to wear a mask: What if you spread covid to the vulnerable?

 

[Andy_W]

There will always be risks in every part of life. Smoking and drinking kills far more people, are you suggesting Prohibition? Cars kill lots of people, are you suggesting we close the roads?

I have decided not to wear a mask, Or are you suggesting we do until there are zero cases of covid?

What terrible analogies.

Smoking and drinking are not contagious, and have never in the history of the world caused a pandemic, they're largely a personal choice where 99% of the effect is on the user, and their immediate family.

Also, smoking is largely banned around other people, as it can cause them health problems by the crap they breathe in (a bit like covid), we did this 15 years ago.

 

[Same_as_before]

I think you're absuing the anaolgy now so I'm out with that one. You obviously didn't get my explanation. So I'll ask you this:

Same question to everyone else who has decided not to wear a mask: What if you spread covid to the vulnerable?

I am following the law, why is that wrong? Why should I listen to a lad? Who is never wrong on any issue, and take his advice on medical issues?

How many times do people say I was not happy with the doctors advice so the ok a second opinion. I don't see FMTTM as the second opinion.

 

[Same_as_before]

What terrible analogies.

Smoking and drinking are not contagious, and have never in the history of the world caused a pandemic, they're largely a personal choice where 99% of the effect is on the user, and their immediate family.

Also, smoking is largely banned around other people, as it can cause them health problems by the crap they breathe in (a bit like covid), we did this 15 years ago.

Andy , I see you have strong opinions on this, is there any other medical issue I should ignore the expert's advice? And take yours.

I am bored of saying it, but if the government says on 1 August I have to wear a mask I will.