Marcus Tavernier

Need to let it go and move forwards, Tav was okay but he wasn’t the messiah, everyone is under performing compared to last season and we are in a massive funk, we need to change it up but wilder won’t do it. Get rid before it’s too late.
 
Alex-The-Kid said:
Need to let it go and move forwards, Tav was okay but he wasn’t the messiah, everyone is under performing compared to last season and we are in a massive funk, we need to change it up but wilder won’t do it. Get rid before it’s too late.
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We do need to move forward but he was better than okay. He was the best and most important player at the club. Criminally underrated by a fair percentage of our fans.
 
Diego said:
We do need to move forward but he was better than okay. He was the best and most important player at the club. Criminally underrated by a fair percentage of our fans.
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We miss his energy but he was definetly replaceable. Our formation is stale and it isn’t working, the back end of last season and this season we have been rubbish, either Wilder changes it up or he won’t be here much longer.
 
Tav wasn't the finished article but God... we miss him! You just can't replace his engine and work rate on our budget - and we haven't even tried. Mowatt (a decent player, though we are yet to see it) just isn't as physically gifted as Tav and the difference it makes on the rest of the team is enormous.

Tav was also vastly underrated technically, and his ability to play in tight situations is badly missed.
 
I didn't hate us selling Tav, didn't even mind what we sold him for but the recruitment or reinvestment just has to be miles better. To replace Tav we've loaned a player from a rival that deemed him not good enough for a promotion push. You can't replace Tav with 1 player and I think we all knew that but you'd have thought we'd have chucked £5m or something at it and loaned Mowatt then it might not have looked so bad.

We've brought in £25m or whatever it was and Watmore is STILL our 2nd best striker, how the **** is that even possible? We all went into this summer expecting big things and it has turned out to be rather laughable. Love Howson but he's 34 year old and we couldn't even find a younger replacement.
 
I have been saying since Tav left that the absolute priority had to be to replace him for a like for like but for whatever reason it seemed to remain in other areas of the pitch and we end up with pound shop Mowatt to fill the gap.
God knows why we left it so late to find a proper replacement and end up scrambling around in the free agent market for has beens.
 
I've said it before, you don't replace a box to box midfielder whose main attributes are carrying the ball at pace and ball winning recovery runs with a player who is the opposite of that. Mowatt is a good player when everything goes through him and he dictates play. His attributes aren't what we need and for that reason I will call out Scott and the recruitment team.
 
Mowatt is a decent player. But he is not, and never will be, an adequate replacement for Tav. It’s a disgrace that we’ve been duped by Gibson, Scott, Bausor and Wilder into thinking that we were going to have a real go this season.
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
I've said it before, you don't replace a box to box midfielder whose main attributes are carrying the ball at pace and ball winning recovery runs with a player who is the opposite of that. Mowatt is a good player when everything goes through him and he dictates play. His attributes aren't what we need and for that reason I will call out Scott and the recruitment team.
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Everything goes through him like the runs mate, **** outcome everytime. As replacement signings go this is up there with getting rid of boateng and rochemback
 
This is exactly why £12m was nowhere near enough for him.

You can debate all you like about market value etc, but the bottom line is his value to us was way above that number. To prize him away should have required an offer too good to refuse. At the very least we should have waited until a replacement was lined up.

The decision to agree to a sale of a key player should not be taken in isolation, particularly if you have ambitions of promotion as the club assure us they do.

It looks like whoever signed off on it, and I don't believe for a second it was Wilder, only saw the £ signs. £12m is, after all, a great return on investment. But it's only a useful fee if it allows you strengthen the side. If we'd reinvested most of it into 2 or 3 quality replacements then you couldn't grumble.

But we either couldn't do that because we grossly underestimated the market in terms of available players or fees required to sign them. Or we had no intention of doing it anyway and just wanted to bank the cash (on which the club hasn't been entirely truthful with fans and should really be pricing the tickets in line with a mid table side looking to tread water, not highest in the league).

Either way it's yet again naive short sighted decision making from the club that doesn't really fill you with any confidence.
 
festa5 said:
This is exactly why £12m was nowhere near enough for him.

You can debate all you like about market value etc, but the bottom line is his value to us was way above that number. To prize him away should have required an offer too good to refuse. At the very least we should have waited until a replacement was lined up.

The decision to agree to a sale of a key player should not be taken in isolation, particularly if you have ambitions of promotion as the club assure us they do.

It looks like whoever signed off on it, and I don't believe for a second it was Wilder, only saw the £ signs. £12m is, after all, a great return on investment. But it's only a useful fee if it allows you strengthen the side. If we'd reinvested most of it into 2 or 3 quality replacements then you couldn't grumble.

But we either couldn't do that because we grossly underestimated the market in terms of available players or fees required to sign them. Or we had no intention of doing it anyway and just wanted to bank the cash (on which the club hasn't been entirely truthful with fans and should really be pricing the tickets in line with a mid table side looking to tread water, not highest in the league).

Either way it's yet again naive short sighted decision making from the club that doesn't really fill you with any confidence.
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But wasn't he only here because we persuaded him to stay for another season last year? He would have been entering his final year of his contract at the end of this season and wanted to go, if we forced his hand he wouldn't have been happy so wouldn't be on top form and then he'd go for a song with just a year left - we didn't really hold any strong cards in a scenario where a player is being offered a pay rise and higher level of football at a key stage of his career.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
But wasn't he only here because we persuaded him to stay for another season last year? He would have been entering his final year of his contract at the end of this season and wanted to go, if we forced his hand he wouldn't have been happy so wouldn't be on top form and then he'd go for a song with just a year left - we didn't really hold any strong cards in a scenario where a player is being offered a pay rise and higher level of football at a key stage of his career.
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There is that argument but other clubs do it and it's rare the players form drops off. They're still playing to impress and put themselves in the shop window after all. In fact some players play even better towards the end of their contract.

Tav doesn't strike me as the type to sulk and it's not like we were denying him a dream move to Liverpool or City, as much as I'm sure he wanted to play in the PL.

His value would probably drop a bit, but not by much. We've quite possibly spaffed most of the extra we might have got from selling him now on loaning Mowatt anyway.
 
Tav was driven out by d***heads who didn’t like his little steps run up. Or he was ready for prem ball. We do miss his speedy, tenacious tackling back. But we have better delivery/ target man now. Maybe we’ll get a Merson/ Gaston in jan to power us to promotion at Wembley. Or maybe we’ll fall short with better footy than we’ve seen for years. Utb
 
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